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November 5, 2022 - 7:37 pm
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Any bones to pick with this one?  Big Larry

 

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Only the white paint in the serial; ever tried to remove it?  Set aside plenty of time if you do.

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Larry:

Looks pretty skookum to me!  How about stock cartouches?

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Rick, not as nice as yours, poor strike, but for free, who cares.   Has a deep stamped circle P, but I cannot find the pic.   Big Larry

 

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Big Larry said
poor strike, but for free, who cares.   

Not “perfect,” but far from poor.  Too bad the inspector wasn’t thinking about how collectors might criticize his work some 70 yrs later. 

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Found circle “P” pic. for WIN-13.   Big Larry

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What is the significance of the Circle P?

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What is the significance of the Circle P?

  

Meant rifle had survived firing with high-pressure proof round.  Applied before the large “final acceptance” inspector’s mark on left side of stock.

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clarence said

Tedk said

What is the significance of the Circle P?

  

Meant rifle had survived firing with high-pressure proof round.  Applied before the large “final acceptance” inspector’s mark on left side of stock.

  

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Tedk said

clarence said

Tedk said

What is the significance of the Circle P?

  

Meant rifle had survived firing with high-pressure proof round.  Applied before the large “final acceptance” inspector’s mark on left side of stock.

  

  

Thanks

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The stock cartouches mean a lot to collectors. Most were boned off to make the stocks look better. A military trait. I had a Garand in USMC Boot Camp (1961), and our DI never had us do that. We just used Linseed Oil to make the stocks look better. A rifle without its cartouches is worth much less and that leads to fakery. Very common these days. Big Larry

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Rick Hill said
Not a WIN-13 Garand but a pretty handsome estimate!

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/87/1490/world-war-ii-us-winchester-m1-garand-rifle-with-bayonet

  

Could not find it. Any Garand before 1940, those with the SA over SPG are going to cost way more than a WIN-13. You are getting closer to Gas Trap era and those are likened to the original M1903 Rod Bayonet. Years ago, they ran to $20,000+++ and I am sure they are way more now. Big Larry

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Larry:

I had the same problem.  This is a standard Garand – Lot #1490.  Estimate $7,500 – $12,000

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This is an outstanding World War II Winchester manufactured M1 Garand rifle manufactured in June of 1943. This rifle is absolutely all original and appears to have not been issued. It has all of its original Winchester parts with the same correct late production matching factory green parkerized finish. The right of the receiver is stamped with drawing number “D28291-2”, and the barrel is correctly marked on the right side with the Winchester circled “WP” proof followed by a single punch dot proof mark and “J 23”. The very outer ring of the breech is parkerized, and the inner area is in the white, correctly, as Winchester parkerized their barrels while affixed to the receiver. The barrel is fitted with the original late Winchester pattern, wide-base gas cylinder with the round top gas cylinder lock, both correctly with their Du-Lite black oxide finish (blue in color) with a single slot gas plug. “D28287-1 W.R.A.” marked bolt, “D35382 W.R.A.” uncut operating rod, “D28290-W.R.A.” trigger housing, “C46025 W.R.A.” milled trigger guard, “C-46008-1W.R.A.” hammer, “C46015-4W.R.A.” safety, hammer spring guide with wings. It has the correct rear sight with the square end locking bar on the windage knob. It has a smooth spring clip on the rear handguard with the oval pattern Winchester middle barrel band with the original solid cross pin still in place. Boxed “WRA/GHD” and crossed cannons cartouche stamped on the left of the wrist with a circled “P” proof in the pistol grip area. The buttplate has the correct raised, checkering pattern with the smooth outer edge with the sharp edge on the trap door found on Winchester manufactured buttplates. Includes a “1943” dated M1905 bayonet with 16 inch blade, olive drab green plastic scabbard, and GCA data sheet.
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Excellent plus, nearly as issued, retains 99% original Winchester parkerized and Du-Lite finishes with a few very small patches of light pitting on the clip latch. Stock is also excellent with defined edges throughout, a patch of scuffs and a dent on the right of the buttstock, a few light handling marks, and crisp stampings. Mechanically excellent. Included bayonet is very fine. A truly exceptional example of a Winchester M1 Garand rifle that would make an excellent addition to any U.S. Military arms collection!

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And here is another!  An actual WIN13 this time.  Amoskeag Auction, November 19th – Lot # 298, estimate $4,000 – $6,000.

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Well, can’t seem to post a proper link so here is the description. Note that is only has a “partial boxed ‘WRA / GHD’ inspector’s stamp and ordnance wheel”:

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serial #1613461, 30-06, 24” Winchester barrel with a bright excellent bore. During the last of Winchester M1 production in 1945, serial number blocks were changed, dropping from 2.5 million to 1.6 million, resulting in approximately 39,000 Winchester rifles with duplicate serial numbers to SA-made rifles, and created a desired, collectible rifle. The metal surfaces retain about 98% original parkerized finish with a touch of operational wear, some light wear on the high edges of the triggerguard and floorplate, and a few minor handling marks; they show the expected machining marks of WWII Winchester production parts. The gas cylinder retains 98-99% original blue-black dulite finish with a light handling mark or two and some light plum discoloration on the gas cylinder lock. The pistolgrip walnut stock is in very good plus condition with scattered light dings and divots, some light abrasions on the toe, and light handling marks. The stock shows a partial boxed “WRA / GHD” inspector’s stamp and Ordnance Wheel on the left side, and a crisp circled “P” proof is stamped on the inside of the pistolgrip; the handguards shows the correct clearance cut. The markings remain crisp, the barrel stamped with a “WP” proof beneath the operating rod, all marked parts are WRA-marked, and the right receiver leg is “WIN-13” drawing number marked. The rifle features a correct Winchester gas cylinder, Winchester front sight with flared “ears”, lock bar rear sight drums with rounded bars and Winchester-style arrows, and the “straight cut” operating rod is not relief cut; the gas cylinder screw is the later 2-slot variety. A must-have “WIN-13” for the M1 collector. (14C10838-8) {C&R} (4000/6000)

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We done good Rick. At least, I did. You finally got what you wanted. Did you get a nice M1907 sling? Big Larry

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Larry:

Oh yeah! all of my Krag, Rock Island, Springfield ’03s as well as my 3 Model 1918 rifles have nice, correct period slings:

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Rick, at one time, I had a drippy mint 1918 dated M1903. A guy just walked up to us at the old Great Western and sold it for $400.

I gave the rifle to my friend Herb when I sold all my US militaria. It was actually, the nicest M1903 I had ever seen and I had seen plenty.  Big Larry

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