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Not sure if this is original but the price seemed high. Any thoughts?
https://www.gunpost.ca/firearms/rifles/oakville-halton-region/pcmr-1942-winchester-30-30
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It does appear to be an original PCMR carbine. As far as the price goes, it may be high. But some of these can be traced to the actual Ranger to whom it was issued which can make them more valuable. I have one that with the help of Bert Hartman was so traced to the actual Ranger that used it.
Tom D said
It does appear to be an original PCMR carbine. As far as the price goes, it may be high. But some of these can be traced to the actual Ranger to whom it was issued which can make them more valuable. I have one that with the help of Bert Hartman was so traced to the actual Ranger that used it.
Unless the ranger was a relative I wouldn’t pay a premium but that’s cool they can be traced to the person it was issued. I guess his description might be accurate then unless someone else can identify something that’s not original(sling swivels/sling/etc). For me I respect it’s place in history but the price and I don’t collect post war carbines so no place in my stable for it.
They can’t all be traced to a particular Ranger, only some can. IMO, that kind of provenance adds to the value of the firearm.
Not sure if the swivels are period correct or not. Most of the front swivels on these PCMR carbines consisted of a somewhat crude band that wrapped around the entire forearm and barrel and was located just behind the rear band.
By the way, it’s not a post War carbine. It was made in 1942.
Pretty much everything on Gunpost (Junkpile) is overpriced.
Someone’s fishing for a sucker.
Tom D said
They can’t all be traced to a particular Ranger, only some can. IMO, that kind of provenance adds to the value of the firearm.Not sure if the swivels are period correct or not. Most of the front swivels on these PCMR carbines consisted of a somewhat crude band that wrapped around the entire forearm and barrel and was located just behind the rear band.
By the way, it’s not a post War carbine. It was made in 1942.
I should’ve said I don’t collect post 1939 carbines.
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Thus far, I have documented (578) of the (2,500) Winchesters purchased by the Canadian government to equip the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers (PCMR), including the gun listed for sale. Of the (578) documented thus far, (282) have been documented to the specific Ranger that it was issued to, and an additionally (48) documented to the specific Company/Detachment the gun was issued to.
Not sure what $3,500 C.A.D. translates to on U.S.D., but I do not believe that the PCMR Carbine in question is grossly overpriced.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
David McNab said
Pretty much everything on Gunpost (Junkpile) is overpriced.Someone’s fishing for a sucker.
Yes David I agree about the overpriced guns on Canada GunPost. A lot of the times these sellers inherit of acquire an old Winchester(mostly post 64 carbines) & have no knowledge of values or how condition plays into value. Asking 2 and 3 times more than the max value for a grey shooter & scratching their heads why they can’t sell it. A lot have non original sights or sights from other manufactures or no sights etc. Then there’s the sellers who are experienced and just put a ridiculously high price on them & exactly what you said… fishing for a sucker.
$3500 today is approx $2800 U.S and that just seems to be a lot of money for it but Bert is certainly in the know here with values and I wouldn’t question that. Just not for my collection but if someone is a WW2 firearm collector they may very well buy it or make an offer that gets it sold. It’s still for sale so maybe other Canadian collectors are thinking the same thing about price. When the price is right, they sell before you can email them back. Now if it was one of the WW1 30WCF carbines in this condition I would be interested… but again at a lesser price.
RickC
I like to think I know just a little about the value of these in ontario canada as I live here and watched the market roller coaster. I pretty much live and breath winchesters up here day in day out. 8 years ago you could buy one in ontario Canada for $600 I’m talking mint with sling etc.. 3 years ago $950 no problem. then covid hit and shot prices up to about $1700-$1800 for a clean complete one. I’m talking clear marking and not sanded wood with sling. recently over the last 3 months they have settled back down for around $1500. I personally can buy 3 at the present moment for $1500 each in ontario Canada. I can’t speak for other states or provinces as I do not live there but the gun in question is in ontario Canada and is 1 million percent over priced.. and a lot
Jeremy Scott.
WACA LIFE MEMBER, CFM MEMBER, ABKA MEMBER, JSSC MEMBER, MNO HISTORIAN
Jeremy,
Can you provide any information on the (3) that you know of that are for sale in your area? I am still actively surveying these.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I’m glad to see that two members who posted above me here agree with my opinion (Thanks RickC and Jeremy S).
Further any “Canadian High Valuators” need to remember that our Current Federal Government (Liberal) is tabling new legislation to further restrict ALL LONG GUNS to no more than 5 shots – permanent alteration – welded.
That means a lot of Beautiful & Historic High Value Winchester Rifles either get butchered or filtered back into the US Market.
But if they (the Feds) do that by Order In Council like they did with the AR’s – then you’re stuck with them – no selling – no trading – PROHIBITED.
I have closely followed the ongoing Federal Firearms Restrictions in this Country since the early 1970’s, almost 50 years and it’s never been worse.
Canadians do not enjoy the protection of the 2nd Amendment like our American Brethren do.
So, the unfolding Political Climate always forms part of my calculus when thinking about value.
Dave.
Bert H. said
Jeremy,
Can you provide any information on the (3) that you know of that are for sale in your area? I am still actively surveying these.
Bert
PM sent with info Bert, cheers
Jeremy Scott.
WACA LIFE MEMBER, CFM MEMBER, ABKA MEMBER, JSSC MEMBER, MNO HISTORIAN
Bert H. said
Thus far, I have documented (578) of the (2,500) Winchesters purchased by the Canadian government to equip the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers (PCMR), including the gun listed for sale. Of the (578) documented thus far, (282) have been documented to the specific Ranger that it was issued to, and an additionally (48) documented to the specific Company/Detachment the gun was issued to.Not sure what $3,500 C.A.D. translates to on U.S.D., but I do not believe that the PCMR Carbine in question is grossly overpriced.
Bert
Hi Bert, if you think I have a chance to trace how was issued my ( new to me) PCMR rifle sn 1338896 I inherited it from my brother 
Jim Ball said
Hi Bert, if you think I have a chance to trace how was issued my (new to me) PCMR rifle s/n 1338896 I inherited it from my brother
Hello Jim.
The serial number you mention is a new entry in the PCMR research survey. The only information that I have for it is the date of manufacture – June 1942.
Can you provide me with pictures of it?
Bert – [email protected]
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert or anyone: Do you know where I can find a correct front sling swivel and band?
Happy Hump Day — Clip
[email protected] said
Bert or anyone: Do you know where I can find a correct front sling swivel and band?Happy Hump Day — Clip
Are you aware that the front sling swivels were not manufactured by Winchester? Instead, the Canadian armorers’ used whatever that had on hand. There are several different types that were used by the various Company armorers. The attached pictures are show the most common type that I have encountered.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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