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Hey guys!
I just became a member of this great community and I’m curious about this listing on gb.
https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/931535504
To the untrained eye like myself it seems quite pristine except for a few dings on the receiver. Serial E 932388. Bayonet lugs and 6 row heat shield all look correct to me. Yet again I’m definitely not an expert. Flaming bomb, other proof marks and the WB cartouche checks out. As far as I know it has a mfg of 1942 as per different records online and the cartouche. It is fetching quite a penny and I would appreciate if anyone chimed in about it’s validity of being an actual “Trench” issue and not a Riot issue.
Thank you!
A simple shooter, humble collector.
It’s an early WWII production Model 97 trench gun. From the photos it looks correct.
Tom D said
It’s an early WWII production Model 97 trench gun. From the photos it looks correct.
Thanks for chiming in Tom I appreciate it!
A simple shooter, humble collector.
Tom D said
It’s an early WWII production Model 97 trench gun. From the photos it looks correct.
I concur and will add that it is an early February 1942 production gun. The barrel is most likely dated “41”.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, can you double check the production date? I own number 931939 which I believe is a June 1942 production trench gun.
Tom D said
Bert, can you double check the production date? I own number 931939 which I believe is a June 1942 production trench gun.
Tom,
Model 97 S/N 931939 is listed in the records as “Jan 29, 1942”
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
I concur and will add that it is an early February 1942 production gun. The barrel is most likely dated “41”.
Bert
Thanks for your input Bert! Much respect. It’s been skyrocketing price wise.
From the pictures, what would you grade it’s overall condition?
A simple shooter, humble collector.
Bisli said
Thanks for your input Bert! Much respect. It’s been skyrocketing price wise.
From the pictures, what would you grade it’s overall condition?
For a military issued gun, the graded condition is at the top end of the “Very Good” scale. The current bid amount is approaching the actual value (in my opinion). That stated, because it is listed on Gunbroker, it will undoubtedly go a fair bit higher in the final few hours of the timed auction.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
For a military issued gun, the graded condition is at the top end of the “Very Good” scale. The current bid amount is approaching the actual value (in my opinion). That stated, because it is listed on Gunbroker, it will undoubtedly go a fair bit higher in the final few hours of the timed auction.
I did infact notice a slightly hefty jump in prices between previous listings on Gunbroker and other private auction houses. Especially with these Trench guns. I absolutely appreciate your two cents on this example Bert, super helpful.
A simple shooter, humble collector.
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Big Larry said
Gets my meager approval. Nice shotgun and 100% correct. Big Larry
Thanks for chiming in Big Larry! It is definitely a nice example.
A simple shooter, humble collector.
Found the pic of my #955552 from 1943. Notice, even the sling, dated 1943, is minty. Nice Trenchguns are very valuable, and hard to find.
The auction gun is superb. Big Larry
Big Larry said
Found the pic of my #955552 from 1943. Notice, even the sling, dated 1943, is minty. Nice Trenchguns are very valuable, and hard to find.The auction gun is superb. Big Larry
That’s one sweet example Big Larry. Sling is absolutely the cherry ontop. The sling on this one is stamped Milco 43 even though according to Bert #932388 is a Jan 29 1942 issue. Still a great shotgun nonetheless. Definitely appreciate the photos of that minty beauty!
A simple shooter, humble collector.
Years ago, I had quite a nice US Shotgun collection to include the nicest M1897 US marked Trenchgun from WW1. 99% and none of the exerts ever saw one that nice. I got $13,000 for it, but not my most expensive. That was my extremely rare Ithaca Trenchgun from WW2. I got $17,500 for that one. All gone now except for the one pictured. Some of my US Militaria collection, I would like to have back. Big Larry
A quick question popped up into mind. Serial# E 932388 has a 6-row heat shield and was produced in early Feb 1942 as Bert stated above. According to several books I’ve skimmed through these heat shields were replaced by the 4-row variant around mid to late 1942. The 6 rivets on the bayonet lugs and two support indentations look correct in the pictures though I haven’t personally handled the firearm yet due to it being exported/imported up north. I know some trench guns in WWII originally had WWI parts thrown on them. Could it be possible this is one of those examples?
Thanks guys.
A simple shooter, humble collector.
The early WWII production Model 97 trench guns had heat shields with 6 rows of cooling holes. The bayonet adaptors on these early trench guns were not marked. The subject gun is well within the serial number range of those early guns. It looks totally correct from the photos.
Tom D said
The early WWII production Model 97 trench guns had heat shields with 6 rows of cooling holes. The bayonet adaptors on these early trench guns were not marked. The subject gun is well within the serial number range of those early guns. It looks totally correct from the photos.
Thanks for the input Tom I definitely appreciate it.
A simple shooter, humble collector.
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