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Two boxes of .40-82 cartridges - is this auction hammer price explicable?
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August 19, 2022 - 2:59 pm
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https://milestoneauctions.hibid.com/catalog/348791/premier-collectable-firearms-sale-day-1/?q=winchester+1886

You’ll have to scroll to the right a bit.  I looked at this page as I was looking at the first rifle shown – a .50 caliber M1886.  The group of cartridges caught my eye.  All of them brought favorable favorable prices but the pair of .40-82’s stand out.  This pair had an auction estimate of $400 – $600 (which I thought was correct) and hammered at $3,120! The next lot, three boxes of .40-65, had an auction estimate again of, $400 – $600, and hammered at $630.  It looks the pair of .40-82 is in slightly better shape, but there are three boxes of the .40-65’s.  So, is there something I’m missing on the desirability of these .40-82’s or did a couple of bidders drop some acid right before this lot came up?

As a tangent, I shy away from shrink wrapped boxes of cartridges where you never get to see what’s inside.  Seems a real set-up for disappointment.  

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August 19, 2022 - 4:40 pm
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High condition boxes and ammo….

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https://milestoneauctions.hibid.com/catalog/348791/premier-collectable-firearms-sale-day-1/?q=winchester+1886

You’ll have to scroll to the right a bit.  I looked at this page as I was looking at the first rifle shown – a .50 caliber M1886.  The group of cartridges caught my eye.  All of them brought favorable favorable prices but the pair of .40-82’s stand out.  This pair had an auction estimate of $400 – $600 (which I thought was correct) and hammered at $3,120! The next lot, three boxes of .40-65, had an auction estimate again of, $400 – $600, and hammered at $630.  It looks the pair of .40-82 is in slightly better shape, but there are three boxes of the .40-65’s.  So, is there something I’m missing on the desirability of these .40-82’s or did a couple of bidders drop some acid right before this lot came up?

As a tangent, I shy away from shrink wrapped boxes of cartridges where you never get to see what’s inside.  Seems a real set-up for disappointment.  

  

I think your right Steve about the acid. 

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Groovy cartridges, Man! Any idea where I can find a gun these might go in? 

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TXGunNut said
Groovy cartridges, Man! Any idea where I can find a gun these might go in? 

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Mike

  

If he paid that much for the cartridges, think how much he would be willing to pay for a rifle Laugh

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This is an old post, but wow I have those same boxes and didn’t pay much more then 100 for each. If you open the link, there’s an 86 carbine 1st model frame with a bad fitting replaced stock and a barrel from the 20s that is a rebore to 45-70, as it has WCF, it went for 6K with the juice, a sad buyer!

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TXGunNut said
Groovy cartridges, Man! Any idea where I can find a gun these might go in? 

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Mike

  

Hahaha. 

 Rick C 

   

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This is an old post, but wow I have those same boxes and didn’t pay much more then 100 for each. If you open the link, there’s an 86 carbine 1st model frame with a bad fitting replaced stock and a barrel from the 20s that is a rebore to 45-70, as it has WCF, it went for 6K with the juice, a sad buyer!

That carbine clearly has a later barrel affixed to it as those markings on it weren’t in use until at least the 1920’s.  The wood has been refinished, no original finish otherwise.  Someone clearly got fleeced.

So, what’s this carbine really worth?  I would guess well under $2,000, and I still wouldn’t want to be the individual writing that check.

Admittedly, I didn’t look at Winchester rifles in this auction.  I’m not much into collecting Winchester rifles these days, simply due to the fact that many have been monkied with and also simply because revolvers are much more easier to handle and store.

I wish I had looked at this carbine before the auction and sent the auction house an email message about it.  And see how they responded to it.  Did they update the listing to reflect what I stated, or not.  I DID identify an 1891 produced Colt Single Action Army revolver with a barrel on it that was produced 1912 or later, based on the sight profile, and brought it to the auction house’s attention.  I was hoping that the auction house would revise the listing.  Instead, it was acknowledged that the barrel is indeed 1912 or later but that it was not unusual for Colt to hold over serial numbers for unknown reasons and use them later.  A cock and bull story!  A Colt letter would have proved otherwise.  In the end, this revolver did not sell, which means no one fell for the scam—this time.

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As has been pointed out, it seems there is a growing group of buyers for whom originality isn’t all that important.  Confused

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