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Questions concerning Winchester Brass Shot shells in Green labeled box
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A friend of mine wants to sell me an old box of Winchester Brass Shot shells.  I have no idea how old they are or what they are worth.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Al

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The fact that they are crimped brass cases of what appear to be 0-Buck, makes them desirable.  However, if that is the original box, it is in terrible condition.  I’m not sure what they are worth, but buy them for the shells, not the box.

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tionesta1 said
I have no idea how old they are or what they are worth.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Al

Do you have a picture of the top of the box label? There may be a date code on it.

The side label has the “Red W”, so that puts it in the 1910s-1920s. I’d have to double check but I think the Red W came into use around 1912. 

Assuredly Pre-1930s, as its not labeled Winchester-Western or Division of Olin Corp.

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Maverick

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I’ve never collected these but have always paid attention to something like that box of brass shells.  In fact, I don’t think I’ve every had an opportunity to purchase a box of vintage brass shells in that age range.  I’ve seen worse boxes.  I am interested to know what others here think this item is worse.  

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Is the box one short?

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I would pay $ 350 for it here in Europe if it were offered. I can’t say what it costs in the USA.

 

Happy new year

 

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I’ve asked him for a few more pictures of the box. 

Thanks.

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I’m thinking it is worth more than $350. I was thinking how well it would go with this:

 

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Interesting shells.  I don’t collect shotgun shells and have never seen shells crimped like this. I have an 1887 in 10 gauge so I do have some 10 gauge boxes but they aren’t brass. I went through Ronald Stadt’s book on Winchester shotguns and shotshells but I didn’t find an example of these.

The box holds little value but each shell could be worth a few bucks a piece.

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steve004 said
I’m thinking it is worth more than $350. I was thinking how well it would go with this:

 

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Steve do you own this shotgun?  Really nice piece.

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Chuck said
Interesting shells.  I don’t collect shotgun shells and have never seen shells crimped like this. I have an 1887 in 10 gauge so I do have some 10 gauge boxes but they aren’t brass. I went through Ronald Stadt’s book on Winchester shotguns and shotshells but I didn’t find an example of these.

The box holds little value but each shell could be worth a few bucks a piece.  

I agree that the box, but itself, isn’t worth much.  However, it does prevent the shells from being just a bunch of loose shells.  In that context, I see the box as adding a fair bit of value.

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Chuck said

Steve do you own this shotgun?  Really nice piece.  

Yes I do.  I took those two photos about two hours ago.

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steve004 said

Yes I do.  I took those two photos about two hours ago.  

I recently bid on one of these for a friend.  He didn’t get it.  It hammered for 14K.  It was in beautiful shape.  Most I’ve seen over the years were beat up.

Really cool gun.

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steve004 said

I agree that the box, but itself, isn’t worth much.  However, it does prevent the shells from being just a bunch of loose shells.  In that context, I see the box as adding a fair bit of value.  

I do buy a lot of Winchester ammo and I would buy this one but only for the unique crimping of the shells.  These are not shotgun shells but I just bought a box of Winchester primed cases in 38-72 in really good condition for $100.  I bought an antique box of Winchester primed 10 gauge paper shells for $300.

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Chuck said

I recently bid on one of these for a friend.  He didn’t get it.  It hammered for 14K.  It was in beautiful shape.  Most I’ve seen over the years were beat up.

Really cool gun.  

They are very cool shotguns and not all that common. There’s some wonderful Teddy Roosevelt history with them.  Here’s one that Rock Island sold and at over $20K it didn’t go cheap.  The coolest thing to find is an original holster.  I’ve only seen reproduction holsters.  The Rock Island shotgun includes a reproduction holster.  The holster set-up is strong on the cool factor.  A shotgun cartridge belt, with the holster mounted and filled with vintage brass shotshells would be very cool.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/64/313/burgess-gun-co-standard-plain-shotgun-12

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https://www.proxibid.com/Burgess-Model-1897-Slide-Action-Folding-Shotgun/lotInformation/59591292&scrollLocationOnCatalog=2654.39990234375

Here is the one I bid on.  

That’s a nice one.  It sure sold way over the auction estimate. 

I always thought they should have used these in a western movie.   Here is a neat article that outlines the Teddy Roosevelt connection with the Burgess folder.  There is also a brief embedded video which show the Burgess being deployed fast-gun style from the holster.  It’s amazing how fast these can be drawn into action from a folded position.  It can be done with one hand as inertia is the driving force.  And, name me another repeating shotgun that can be safely carried with a full magazine and one in the chamber – with no risk of going off accidentally?  Let’s add, also carried with the hammer at full-cock!

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https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a17376/folding-shotgun/

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here are a couple more pictures of the box.

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tionesta1 said
here are a couple more pictures of the box.

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The box is better than the first pair of photos suggested.

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I agree.  These photos show a much better box than first impression.

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