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foxfire said
….sure looks good.
Never seen one before but looks like a real salesman sample.
Fascinating, the stuff Winchester drummers were provided to do their work. (All drummers of the time; hence the marvelous miniatures of threshing machines, ice-boxes, etc., that show up on Antiques Road Show.) Most of them would have been traveling by train or public coach, so their sales kit had to be compact. The real thang, all right.
I am certainly not an expert on this…but wasn’t there a thread on this recently, possibly regarding one from the same seller, and it was deemed to be a modern fake? Either this never existed back in the day or, if it did, the ones surfacing now are modern reproductions?????
mrcvs said
Either this never existed back in the day or, if it did, the ones surfacing now are modern reproductions?????
Though I wouldn’t put anything past modern fraudsters, this item looks too genuinely aged not to be authentic.
mrcvs said
I am certainly not an expert on this…but wasn’t there a thread on this recently, possibly regarding one from the same seller, and it was deemed to be a modern fake? Either this never existed back in the day or, if it did, the ones surfacing now are modern reproductions?????
I do recall seeing something like this on eBay in the last year, or two, and am quite certain it was the same seller as I looked at his other items for sale and remember seeing a lot of china. It could have been the same item that didn’t sell as it seems rare for the same seller to come up with more than one salesman’s cartridge sample.
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These are not fantasy items. Both Winchester and UMC and probably other companies of the period all made these shot shell window cartridges. Many years ago, I had a paste board box with a hinged lid made by Winchester, with five 12 gauge window cartridges in it. Each one showed different shot sizes, powder charges and wad thicknesses. The long one pictured on ebay is in fact, very rare. These things were quite fragile and many didn’t survive.
Here is the item posted a couple weeks ago that was universally panned as a fantasy item.
foxfire said
Here is the item posted a couple weeks ago that was universally panned as a fantasy item.
That is the one that is thought to be a fantasy item. This new one looks pretty legit to me.
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The brass one certainly looks most like the real McCoy to me.
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Wincacher said
The brass one certainly looks most like the real McCoy to me.
It fooled me too for a while, but the more I looked, it just didn’t seem right.
I’m pretty certain I’ve figured out how it was faked.
Here is the Ebay Salesman Sample Tube.
Here is a brass hourglass keychain that I’ve seen online for sale for under $10.
Here is a side by side comparison of the two items. Pay attention to the size and length of the viewport. Looks like all one would need to do is take the key chain apart. Make new end pieces, make glass or plastic view window, insert different powders with wads, carve / cut “Winchester Repeating Arms U.S.A” onto the bottom end. Then list on Ebay, sell it for $744 and make a nice $660 in profit.
Does that seem to far fetched to anyone? Or did I hit the nail on the head?!
Never underestimate the lengths at which someone is willing to go to commit fraud.
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Very interesting possibility!
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That brass hourglass is 2-1/2 inches tall. The scale is wrong.
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supergimp said
That brass hourglass is 2-1/2 inches tall. The scale is wrong.
They make them in different sizes. Here is one that is 6.75″ long. So take your pick! Would you like the short, long or extra long version. Give me $600 bucks and I’ll send you one in the mail, next day air if you like!
Here is one that is 4″ tall, it even looks more like a shotgun shell.
https://sgws3productimages.azureedge.net/sgwproductimages/images/73/4-30-2018/76766163071217we.JPG
You can get it at Goodwill for a good price along with some scopes.
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/52120711
You gotta think outta the box, because these scammers sure do. Am I painting a clear enough picture?
Sincerely,
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Yea, and it’s 2-3/4″ in diameter. I have no clue about the authenticity of the item in question. Just saying the first thing I did was reverse image search the picture and then overlay those pics on the eBay item using the scale indicated on the various hourglass listings I could find. It certainly is a possibility that an hourglass became a shotshell sample, I have no idea, but I don’t see a smoking gun.
Not that I would buy it anyway. You guys have scared me out of collecting…
(kidding)
Just my 2 cents.
Steve
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