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Has anyone here ventured down this rabbit hole?
My experience with Leverevolution powder is limited to 30-30, 32 Win Spl, 348 Win and 35 Remington.
I generally find I can duplicate factory standard velocity before getting what appears to be normal max pressures. This powder does seem to put a lot of area under the curve, while keeping peak pressures down.
I am going to experiment with the Leverevolution powder in my 1886 33 WCF, and thought I would see if there have been any documented ventures to steer me.
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Tim
January 8, 2025
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I have a small reloading setup. In the interest of time in the last year and recently getting some of your said calibers, I’ve elected to buy ammo. Your post made me think…. Have you used the online Hodgdon tool. I’ve used it for some shot shell reloading and a little riffle. Not having the leverevolution powder on hand I never checked. If you just scroll down and check the box for the powder, your only options for the other components will be their advertised loads. I think this is the answer to the pressure question we had in the ‘95 thread.
MidwestCrisis said
I have a small reloading setup. In the interest of time in the last year and recently getting some of your said calibers, I’ve elected to buy ammo. Your post made me think…. Have you used the online Hodgdon tool. I’ve used it for some shot shell reloading and a little riffle. Not having the leverevolution powder on hand I never checked. If you just scroll down and check the box for the powder, your only options for the other components will be their advertised loads. I think this is the answer to the pressure question we had in the ‘95 thread.
https://hodgdonreloading.com/rldc/
I use the Hodgdon site weekly!
They do not have data for the 33 WCF.
April 15, 2005
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MidwestCrisis said
I have a small reloading setup. In the interest of time in the last year and recently getting some of your said calibers, I’ve elected to buy ammo. Your post made me think…. Have you used the online Hodgdon tool. I’ve used it for some shot shell reloading and a little riffle. Not having the leverevolution powder on hand I never checked. If you just scroll down and check the box for the powder, your only options for the other components will be their advertised loads. I think this is the answer to the pressure question we had in the ‘95 thread.
https://hodgdonreloading.com/rldc/
I use the Hodgdon site weekly!
They do not have data for the 33 WCF.
If you call them, I believe that they will provide you with any requested load data.
Bert
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January 8, 2025
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My wife wanted to talk while I was typing that so I posted what I had typed with the link before I was able to use it. Very helpful tool. I’m working on determining Hornadys pressure for the reduced recoil loads. I also need some 35 Remington dies, I just bought ammo online for the 2 I acquired after building the earlier mentioned little lady a patio last summer.
Case capacity of the 33 WCF is about two grains more than the 338 Marlin Express.
Starting loads for the ME with LVR run at max pressures for an old 1886…maybe even a little above!
I will drop ME starting loads about 10% in the slightly larger 33 WCF case. Will probably give the 200gr about 2,000 fps. Will creep up from there (unless I find some data to the contrary).
For my purposes, I don’t really want to approach maximum. What I am really after is max 2,100fps at minimum MAP.
Ozark Whitetails at 35 yards don’t need too much horsepower, especially if you only take good/careful shots!
I just want to hunt with this 114 year old rifle!
I do have H4895, but the LVR powder has been so good in other, roughly similar cartridges I just want to give it a go.
September 23, 2025
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Ill be curious to know how this goes. Working up loads for this cartridge myself. All I can say is that my initial imr3031 hand loads came up about 85 fps faster than the hornady book said with the 200 gr ftx. Might start light.
If you’re ever in Kansas City, shoot me a message and I’ll hook you up with a 3d printed magazine follower that helped me get my 33 to feed properly with the ftx.
January 8, 2025
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I spent way too much time on this, but is the 33wCF the 303 British?
I’m asking because I cannot find 33 cal in any book I have
January 20, 2023
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No, the 33 WCF is a Winchester design based on the older 45/70 Government case. It is the 45/70 case necked down to hold a .338 bullet.
There were several Winchester cartridges based on the same case but the 33 became the most popular. It was always a smokeless powder cartridge. At the end of Model 1886 production, the only two chamberings available wete the.33 and the 45/70.
Specifications for it can be found in some Speer and Hornady reloading manuals as late as the mid 1980s, in addition to Cartridges of the World in its Obsolete chapter.
- Bill
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April 15, 2005
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Zebulon said
At the end of Model 1886 production, the only two chamberings available were the.33 and the 45/70.
Not exactly true… Winter 2024 (winchestercollector.org)
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