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Winchester Model 1890
March 15, 2016
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Please check out the Winchester Model 1890 auction on GB, in terms of the change of caliber markings that were according to the family information as noted in the description and add your comments. 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=546695221

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Hi James,

Serial number 854747 is the highest that I am aware of.  I believe that was the last recorded by Winchester but Bert or one of the other guys may correct me.

The caliber re-marking does not look like Winchester to me.  While it is possible the rifle has been in the same family since new I suspect it was converted from .22 short to .22 long rifle after it left the factory.

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JWA said

Hi James,

Serial number 854747 is the highest that I am aware of.  I believe that was the last recorded by Winchester but Bert or one of the other guys may correct me.

The caliber re-marking does not look like Winchester to me.  While it is possible the rifle has been in the same family since new I suspect it was converted from .22 short to .22 long rifle after it left the factory.

Regards,

Wow, and I have a M62-A # 853279. That is very interesting that this M1890 has a higher number than my M62-A. Big Larry

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JWA said

Hi James,

Serial number 854747 is the highest that I am aware of.  I believe that was the last recorded by Winchester but Bert or one of the other guys may correct me.

The caliber re-marking does not look like Winchester to me.  While it is possible the rifle has been in the same family since new I suspect it was converted from .22 short to .22 long rifle after it left the factory.

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Thanks, JWA.  All good comments.  The family story bit is particularly interesting in that the polishing room records show a date of 1942, but the story goes that it was purchased in 1947, which on the surface indicates that it was not sold until five years later.  If Bert can confirm the 1947 date as being correct, that would give some credibility to a family member checking with Winchester personnel about the "X" marking.

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March 15, 2016
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James,

The serial number on that rifle was applied in March of 1942.  Like Jeff, I do not believe that it was reworked by Winchester. 

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Big Larry said

JWA said

Hi James,

Serial number 854747 is the highest that I am aware of.  I believe that was the last recorded by Winchester but Bert or one of the other guys may correct me.

The caliber re-marking does not look like Winchester to me.  While it is possible the rifle has been in the same family since new I suspect it was converted from .22 short to .22 long rifle after it left the factory.

Regards,

Wow, and I have a M62-A # 853279. That is very interesting that this M1890 has a higher number than my M62-A. Big Larry

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Maybe they used a left over receiver from an 1890 to build your 62A? Your s/n is from 1940 if it was from the model 1890 serial number sequence. 

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Bert H. said

James,

The serial number on that rifle was applied in March of 1942.  Like Jeff, I do not believe that it was reworked by Winchester. 

Bert

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94shorties said

Big Larry said

JWA said

Hi James,

Serial number 854747 is the highest that I am aware of.  I believe that was the last recorded by Winchester but Bert or one of the other guys may correct me.

The caliber re-marking does not look like Winchester to me.  While it is possible the rifle has been in the same family since new I suspect it was converted from .22 short to .22 long rifle after it left the factory.

Regards,

Wow, and I have a M62-A # 853279. That is very interesting that this M1890 has a higher number than my M62-A. Big Larry

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Maybe they used a left over receiver from an 1890 to build your 62A? Your s/n is from 1940 if it was from the model 1890 serial number sequence. 

It is in fact, a parts cleanup M62-A. It has parts on it later than 1947. Probably one of the last M62-A's made. Big Larry

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Big Larry said

It is in fact, a parts cleanup M62-A. It has parts on it later than 1947. Probably one of the last M62-A's made. Big Larry

Hi Larry,

The Model 62A was made through 1959, I assume you meant Model 62?

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JWA said

Big Larry said

It is in fact, a parts cleanup M62-A. It has parts on it later than 1947. Probably one of the last M62-A's made. Big Larry

Hi Larry,

The Model 62A was made through 1959, I assume you meant Model 62?

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It's a M62-A and in near mint condition.  I am sure this rifle was one of the last to be shipped. # 853279 B    Big Larry

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Hi Larry,

What makes you so sure it was one of the last ones shipped?  The serial number is not sequential to the normal 62A production so couldn't it have been a post-war clean up of 1890/1906/62 parts assembled as a 62A?  Does it have any very late production parts on it?  To be one of the last ones shipped would place it in the 1959/1960 era.

No offense, I am just asking because I am simply curious and don't have access to my Schwing books right now.

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It has a M90 receiver and also has coil springs. Late serrated hammer and late pump handle. Late bolt too. I do not want to take it apart as I do not have the proper tools. I would like to see the bbl. date. It is too nice for me to try to get it apart. Maybe someday you will come to my house for a visit and bring some tools. I have pictures of it, but I can never figure out how to posy them here. I can send them to your email.  Big Larry

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Hi Larry,

Sounds like a very interesting rifle! I will be up near you later this summer and will stop in and say hello. I would love to see some of your collection.

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More information about the subject 1890 rifle.  I made this post one day after attempting to find out the name of the Winchester employee that was spoken to in reference to the subject rifle and its caliber change markings.  This morning I received an answer from a representative of the company that auctioned the gun off, and to the best of this person's recollections, the employee's name was George Watrous.  Interesting, huh?!

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Doesn't get much better than that. He was a biggie.  Big Larry

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JWA said

Hi Larry,

Sounds like a very interesting rifle! I will be up near you later this summer and will stop in and say hello. I would love to see some of your collection.

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Jeff, you know you are always welcome in my house. Bring some ball 45 ACP and we can shoot my Thompson while you are here.  Big Larry

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Will do! And if there is anything of mine you would like to see or shoot I would be happy to throw it in the truck. My .50 BMG is a bit large but I can bring up a Browning 1919A4 with a tripod and a couple cans of belted M2 ball if you want to play.

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JWA said

Will do! And if there is anything of mine you would like to see or shoot I would be happy to throw it in the truck. My .50 BMG is a bit large but I can bring up a Browning 1919A4 with a tripod and a couple cans of belted M2 ball if you want to play.

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You know, I was a tank driver in the Marines. I have fired many, many, M2 50 cals from the cupola of my M103 heavy tank. As for the 1919's we had them coaxially mounted with the 120 MM main gun and on maneuvers a time or two, I took it out of it's mount and fired it like John Wayne by hand. Ammo was never a problem Uncle Sam gave us all we wanted. I used to roll a belt or two of the 30's, into my sleeping bag, to take home and shoot in my M1903 Springfield. Used to fire the tracers in the desert. That was fun, and free to boot.     Big Larry

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JWA said

Will do! And if there is anything of mine you would like to see or shoot I would be happy to throw it in the truck. My .50 BMG is a bit large but I can bring up a Browning 1919A4 with a tripod and a couple cans of belted M2 ball if you want to play.

 

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JWA said

Will do! And if there is anything of mine you would like to see or shoot I would be happy to throw it in the truck. My .50 BMG is a bit large but I can bring up a Browning 1919A4 with a tripod and a couple cans of belted M2 ball if you want to play.

 

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