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Hello all! Hoping for some information….I happened upon a local gentlemen that has a Model 90 in 22 LR that he is wanting to sell. It is a 1927 mfg based upon serial number and is in excellent condition. I would say around a 96-98% original?? I won’t be able to get any pictures to post on here, but I have seen the gun and agree it is NICE!! Almost too good to be true type of a deal….trouble is, he owns a Red Book and wants a lot of money for it, around $4000.00. My main question…is it worth it?? Thanks in advance for any info!!
Thing to be most concerned about, are you SURE beyond a doubt finish is original?
If it is, what do you have for your 4 Gs? A safe queen.
I feel confident that it is original…but that’s a very valid point. All you really have is a safe queen to add to a collection and hope the investment over time pays back.
Cole Vejraska said
Hello all! Hoping for some information….I happened upon a local gentlemen that has a Model 90 in 22 LR that he is wanting to sell. It is a 1927 mfg based upon serial number and is in excellent condition. I would say around a 96-98% original?? I won’t be able to get any pictures to post on here, but I have seen the gun and agree it is NICE!! Almost too good to be true type of a deal….trouble is, he owns a Red Book and wants a lot of money for it, around $4000.00. My main question…is it worth it?? Thanks in advance for any info!!
Hello Cole,
What is the serial number on the subject rifle? If the condition truly is in the high 90 percentile range, then yes, it would bring $4K in a well attended auction.
Bert (yes, the same Bert who co-wrote the Red Book).
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
If I remember correctly, it is mid-76xxxx range. Those are the numbers I can recall. Thanks!
Cole Vejraska said
Bert,If I remember correctly, it is mid-76xxxx range. Those are the numbers I can recall. Thanks!
The puts it into the October 1927 – February 1928 production period. Winchester actually manufactured a substantial number of Model 90 rifle in 22 Long Rifle in the 1926 – 1940 time period.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said If the condition truly is in the high 90 percentile range, then yes, it would bring $4K in a well attended auction.
Does the owner expect to get auction prices without paying auction expenses?
clarence said
Bert H. said If the condition truly is in the high 90 percentile range, then yes, it would bring $4K in a well attended auction.
Does the owner expect to get auction prices without paying auction expenses?
Why would you ask me that question? I have no idea what the owner is thinking!
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Why would you ask me that question? I have no idea what the owner is thinking!
I was making an obvious point about the seller’s unreasonable price, not asking YOU a question. YOU I wouldn’t ask for the time of day.
clarence said
Bert H. said
Why would you ask me that question? I have no idea what the owner is thinking!
I was making an obvious point about the seller’s unreasonable price, not asking YOU a question. YOU I wouldn’t ask for the time of day.
The stop being an ignorant stooge and quoting my post!
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Cole Vejraska said
Bert,
If I remember correctly, it is mid-76xxxx range. Those are the numbers I can recall. Thanks!
The puts it into the October 1927 – February 1928 production period. Winchester actually manufactured a substantial number of Model 90 rifle in 22 Long Rifle in the 1926 – 1940 time period.
I reference the Red Book that I own quite a bit to gauge pricing from a collector perspective, and it’s a very great resource. Appreciate your efforts there, thank you!!! I have been looking for a Mod 90 in 22 LR for quite some time, but I have been disappointed in not being able to find one that I “needed” to have from a quality perspective. This one is far and above, quality and condition wise, anything I was expecting to ever entertain purchasing for sure. I was wanting one to round out my collection of Mod 90 rifles. It’s definitely what I “want”, but it carries a bit more price tag than I was wanting to give….hence I am torn. My hope was to gain some insight to justify, or not, the price tag…I think you have answered my question, except I am, in a sense, the only party in attendance at this auction, ha!! The $4k price tag could be justifiable. I guess I look at it this way, if you’d agree, it’s probably not likely to go down in value over time?? So, from a collector/investment standpoint, money well spent. It’s been shot, not a lot, but I am not likely to go spend days at the range plinking with it either. Unless I am way off base, it’s one of the nicest original Mod 90 22 LR I have ever seen. I have certainly seen some other originals for $1800-$2000 that are not nearly as nice. What is quality worth though?? I am not sure anyone can answer that for me. The collector in me says just do it. My pocket book is saying otherwise….Appreciate your help and the insight!!!
Thanks, Cole
clarence said
Bert H. said If the condition truly is in the high 90 percentile range, then yes, it would bring $4K in a well attended auction.
Does the owner expect to get auction prices without paying auction expenses?
Clarence,
That’s another good perspective. I agree, the guy wants auction price without having the auction. Is it worth letting this rifle get away just due to price?? That’s where I am torn. Hopefully, I can reason with him a little and get him down, but time will tell….thanks for your input!
Cole
Cole Vejraska said
Bert H. said
Cole Vejraska said
Bert,
If I remember correctly, it is mid-76xxxx range. Those are the numbers I can recall. Thanks!
The puts it into the October 1927 – February 1928 production period. Winchester actually manufactured a substantial number of Model 90 rifle in 22 Long Rifle in the 1926 – 1940 time period.
I reference the Red Book that I own quite a bit to gauge pricing from a collector perspective, and it’s a very great resource. Appreciate your efforts there, thank you!!! I have been looking for a Mod 90 in 22 LR for quite some time, but I have been disappointed in not being able to find one that I “needed” to have from a quality perspective. This one is far and above, quality and condition wise, anything I was expecting to ever entertain purchasing for sure. I was wanting one to round out my collection of Mod 90 rifles. It’s definitely what I “want”, but it carries a bit more price tag than I was wanting to give….hence I am torn. My hope was to gain some insight to justify, or not, the price tag…I think you have answered my question, except I am, in a sense, the only party in attendance at this auction, ha!! The $4k price tag could be justifiable. I guess I look at it this way, if you’d agree, it’s probably not likely to go down in value over time?? So, from a collector/investment standpoint, money well spent. It’s been shot, not a lot, but I am not likely to go spend days at the range plinking with it either. Unless I am way off base, it’s one of the nicest original Mod 90 22 LR I have ever seen. I have certainly seen some other originals for $1800-$2000 that are not nearly as nice. What is quality worth though?? I am not sure anyone can answer that for me. The collector in me says just do it. My pocket book is saying otherwise….Appreciate your help and the insight!!!
Thanks, Cole
Cole,
Just as you have stated, Model 90s in that specific cartridge and condition do not appear in the market with any quantifiable frequency. I am not of the opinion that the value of that rifle is going to decrease with time. I suspect that if you do not pony-up and buy it, you will regret that decision for years to come.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 7, 2015
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Cole-
Another way to look at the auction comparison is that some firms charge a buyers’ premium in addition to the sellers’ premium. And then we have may have to consider sales tax and shipping. With the numbers produced it’s possible you may find another as nice someday, maybe even a seller who doesn’t keep a Red Book handy.
Mike
Bert H. said
Cole Vejraska said
Bert H. said
Cole Vejraska said
Bert,
If I remember correctly, it is mid-76xxxx range. Those are the numbers I can recall. Thanks!
The puts it into the October 1927 – February 1928 production period. Winchester actually manufactured a substantial number of Model 90 rifle in 22 Long Rifle in the 1926 – 1940 time period.
I reference the Red Book that I own quite a bit to gauge pricing from a collector perspective, and it’s a very great resource. Appreciate your efforts there, thank you!!! I have been looking for a Mod 90 in 22 LR for quite some time, but I have been disappointed in not being able to find one that I “needed” to have from a quality perspective. This one is far and above, quality and condition wise, anything I was expecting to ever entertain purchasing for sure. I was wanting one to round out my collection of Mod 90 rifles. It’s definitely what I “want”, but it carries a bit more price tag than I was wanting to give….hence I am torn. My hope was to gain some insight to justify, or not, the price tag…I think you have answered my question, except I am, in a sense, the only party in attendance at this auction, ha!! The $4k price tag could be justifiable. I guess I look at it this way, if you’d agree, it’s probably not likely to go down in value over time?? So, from a collector/investment standpoint, money well spent. It’s been shot, not a lot, but I am not likely to go spend days at the range plinking with it either. Unless I am way off base, it’s one of the nicest original Mod 90 22 LR I have ever seen. I have certainly seen some other originals for $1800-$2000 that are not nearly as nice. What is quality worth though?? I am not sure anyone can answer that for me. The collector in me says just do it. My pocket book is saying otherwise….Appreciate your help and the insight!!!
Thanks, Cole
Cole,
Just as you have stated, Model 90s in that specific cartridge and condition do not appear in the market with any quantifiable frequency. I am not of the opinion that the value of that rifle is going to decrease with time. I suspect that if you do not pony-up and buy it, you will regret that decision for years to come.
Bert
Your original post did not indicate why you are unable to provide photos but photos are the best route for you to determine if the gun is original and correct. With good photos, Bert and others will be able to evaluate the gun and give you the advice you are requesting. The only thing worse than walking away from a nice gun at a good price and spending your life wishing you had purchased the gun is to buy a gun that is re-done and not worth what you paid for it. Get photos and post them!
IF you feel confident that you are able to evaluate wether or not it is original – and it IS original and IS in 96-98% condition, I believe $4k isn’t “too much”. After that consideration, it would make a difference to me as to how long you intend to retain this rifle as an investment. 1-5 years probably won’t show much of a return. 5-10 likely would. 20+… imagine would show a substantial return.
Most guns I buy with the intention of keeping them indefinitely. I started collecting in my teens and am still in my 30s. In my situation, I assume (and hope) that when I pass them on and/or liquidate them at an old age, my investment return is substantial.
If I “needed” the rifle you’re interested in, I’d buy it for the $4k as described. But I’d work hard to pay less first.
I was fortunate to find a very nice Model 90 in Long Rifle in June of 2007. Ser. 814265 c. 1929. It had no “flaking” that was visable when purchased and has only been to the range, maybe, twice. I have other 22s that aren’t so nice that I shoot. How does one determine the amount of devaluation this causes? RDB
rogertherelic said
Hoe does one determine the amount of devaluation this causes?
Only one I see that’s “not so nice” is one in 4th photo; to me, it’s like the face of a beautiful woman with a sickening burn scar on one side of her face. Remaining percentage of blue doesn’t tell the whole story. I’d rather have a gun evenly worn to a smooth patina than one with this kind of disfiguring blemish. Can’t put a figure on the devaluation, I just wouldn’t want to own it, unless I was prepared to have the rcvr refinished.
Thanks Clarence. I hadn’t looked at the finish degradation in that way. I do see your point. I need to change my evaluation of the rifle and acknowledge that it’s just a “nice shooter” not a collector quality piece. But, you didn’t really answer my question. How does one determine a value or loss of value from flaking? RDB
rogertherelic said
Thanks Clarence. I hadn’t looked at the finish degradation in that way. I do see your point. I need to change my evaluation of the rifle and acknowledge that it’s just a “nice shooter” not a collector quality piece. But, you didn’t really answer my question. How does one determine a value or loss of value from flaking? RDB
Roger,
I disagree with your statement “not a collector quality piece“. Because it is a 22 LR, and it is in relatively nice condition other than the flaking, it most certainly still has value in the collector market. That stated, it is not possible to “quantify” exactly how much the value is affected by the flaking. That is for the most part going to be determined/decided by the specific buyer. For those of us that understand that all of the Model 1890/90 rifles manufactured in the 22 LR cartridge were produced during the “flaking” time period, the odds of finding one without any flaking are very slim. It is the same for those who collect the Models 53 and 55.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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