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Winchester 1890 Lever Action - .22 short?
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I came across an auction listing: Winchester Model 1890 .22 short, with a serial #642992 which indicates it was made in 1919. However the pictures show it as a lever action. None of my Winchester books show a lever action 1890.

Does anybody have information on this rifle? I have written to the auctioneer requesting verification, since their photos do not show the manufacturer’s name.

I tried to upload pictures but I couldn’t, due to size limitations. 

Thanks, Richard Pike

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Post a link to the auction.

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Ned Schwing shows two différent lever action 1890 prototypes p 195 of his book on 1890 and 1906.
He states that these two are the two only known examples (one in 22S and one in 22WRF).

I have however heard of at least one other such rifle in a collection in France, but it was probably built by a gunsmith and not the tool room…

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Auction – Connecticut.hibid.com/catalog/399435/October-2022

 

if the link doesn’t work, try Connecticut Firearms Auction, Plantsville CT. Auction date – October 23, 2022. Lot #488

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Very odd, but really cool.  I think a lever action model 1890 would have been a great idea.  I’d like to know what the internals look like.  We have all been wrong about one thing or another, but I would think most will agree that this was not made by Winchester.  It could be that someone just like playing with the model 90 with various modifications.  If you scroll down in the listing for this rifle, you’ll see “Similar Listings”.  Check out lot #101.

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If the gun was in original condition it might of shown it was Winchester but with the refinish it removed a way of proving it.

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That is one of a handful of similar lever-action Model 1890 rifles that I have encountered over the years, and to the best of my knowledge, they were all aftermarket altered rifles. I too wonder why Winchester did not ever pursue manufacturing any of them… it would have given Marlin a real run for its money!

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Interesting.  I’ve seen some dealer catalogs (e.g. Larry’s Gun Room – Larry Orr) in the past that advertised gunsmith conversions of the Model 62 to lever action.  I never handled any of them or even saw a photo.

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Bert H. said
 I too wonder why Winchester did not ever pursue manufacturing any of them… it would have given Marlin a real run for its money!

Bert

  

What I don’t get is why anyone would prefer a lever to a slick, fast-shooting pump.  Operation of a pump forces the gun tighter against your shoulder, so there’s no reason to loose your aiming point, whereas opening the action of any lever gun tends to slide the butt downwards, very possibly making the shooter re-acquire his aiming point.

Anyone who’s owned one of Rem’s great line of slide-action CFs knows there’s nothing faster shooting but a semi-auto, & even then the difference isn’t great.

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Bert, can that SN be lettered? Don

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 Very interesting rifle.I would assume the two prototype riles spoken of by Schwing are factory rifles?

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Bert, can that SN be lettered? Don

  

It can be lettered and thats why they didn’t have a letter with it.

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Bert, can that SN be lettered? Don

  

No it cannot.  The last Model 1890 that can be lettered is S/N 329999, and that rifle is S/N 642992.

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I looked at the pdf wrong, it was just Serial number application date.

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These are gunsmith projects/alterations. Some specifics are discussed in this thread……

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/1890-winchester-lever-action.684721/#post-6398681

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Cool that Taurus made a lever action version of the Model 62.  I had not been aware of this.

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Cool that Taurus made a lever action version of the Model 62.  I had not been aware of this.

  

Don’t forget the 9422 is more 61 than 94.

 

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