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I a model 67 that turned out to be a 677 and I need to put scope on it. The books ask for a A-5 ,the problem is the A-5 I have has been refinished. Will this effect value is an other scope be acceptable. What other options do I have.
Michael Vosnos said
I a model 67 that turned out to be a 677 and I need to put scope on it. The books ask for a A-5 ,the problem is the A-5 I have has been refinished. Will this effect value is an other scope be acceptable. What other options do I have.
The Winchester A5 telescope is not the correct scope for a Model 677. The A5 was long gone by the time the Model 67 (677) made its appearance.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Michael Vosnos said
I a model 67 that turned out to be a 677 and I need to put scope on it. The books ask for a A-5 ,the problem is the A-5 I have has been refinished. Will this effect value is an other scope be acceptable. What other options do I have.
Your book is dead wrong. You need one of the special RF scopes Win provided for this model. They do crop up on ebay from time to time, but are marked only for power. Only place Win name appears is mounts.
Here’s a not-very-good photo of the scope correct for a 677. Note the A5 box. This was an ebay scam, which is why I kept this photo; some dope paid over $1000 for it, but you should be able to find one of these 3 or 5X scopes for about $400.
Michael, this is your lucky day IF you have the good sense to take advantage of it. This one is now on ebay, but the seller’s description of it is dead wrong, as they often are. You’re doubly lucky in that seller isn’t pricing it as if it really was a B4.
Clarence, That scope on eBay, while a good price, has been spray-painted black, including the blued mounts. also, the ocular lens housing is not correct, it came from a different scope.
Michael, the first thing you need to do is measure the center-to-center distance between the scope bases, that will tell you whether your rifle came with a 2-3/4x scope or a 5x scope as the 677 was offered with both and the bases are mounted differently for each.
I would love to see pictures of your rifle if you can post them, the 677 is a hard to find variant.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
JWA said
Clarence, That scope on eBay, while a good price, has been spray-painted black, including the blued mounts. also, the ocular lens housing is not correct, it came from a different scope.
Photo is so out of focus, I didn’t notice paint, but see it now. Still, for a good enough price, I’d make the effort of rubbing it off with lacquer thinner, if that was the only problem. The replaced ocular is something else, though seller claims “clear optics.”
The collar looks to be from an early Weaver scope. Interestingly, the tube thread size and pitch is the same for the early Weaver scopes and the Winchester contract scopes. I have beat my head against the wall trying to make a connection between the two but have never come up with anything but there must be something as all other scope manufacturers (Mossberg/Wollensak/Marlin/Lyman/etc.) have a proprietary thread and components do not interchange with other manufacturers.
The Winchester scope ocular ring is one of the hardest pieces to find if it is missing from the scope. I have 2 scopes missing just the ocular lock ring and they are unobtanium.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
JWA said
The collar looks to be from an early Weaver scope.
But is it only the collar or the entire eyepiece that has been replaced?
On the $150 eBay scope, the entire ocular/eyepiece has been replaced (which also includes the ocular lock ring).
The concern with the replacement is that the Winchester scope for sale is a 5X but the lens and ocular housing are from a 4X Weaver. The optic math doesn’t work with that mis-match even though it may be “clear” to the seller.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Scoped 22 Winchesters are quite scarce. Most are beaters. I bought this rare factory scoped Winchester a few years ago.
Not cheap, but drippy mint. Big Larry
Nice specimen!
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Big Larry said
Scoped 22 Winchesters are quite scarce. Most are beaters. I bought this rare factory scoped Winchester a few years ago.Not cheap, but drippy mint. Big Larry
Of all the rare or otherwise exceptional guns you’ve shown us, Larry, this one is hands-down the most outstanding! Truly incredible! Because, they were not top-of-the-line deluxe models that owners might be expected to handle & store carefully, but “utilitarian” guns probably bought by someone of modest means, & regarded as “nothing special.” The paint on those scopes is so easily scratched or chipped, that to have survived in this cond is miraculous. I’m sure it’s not the most valuable you own, far from it, but I’d call it the “gem” of your collection. Deserves to be a centerfold in one of Jeff’s future books.
I would have been happy to include that nice G6951R Type 1 in the book except Larry’s scope rings are installed backwards, the mount thumbscrews should both be on the left side 
Larry does have some of his rifles illustrated in the 69 book, such as the G6901R Type 2 on page 26 AND has some in the upcoming book on the Model 75.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
JWA said
I would have been happy to include that nice G6951R Type 1 in the book except Larry’s scope rings are installed backwards, the mount thumbscrews should both be on the left side
Leave them be, say I. Risk of scraping paint if they were reversed too great. Placing them on the Southpaw side actually seems counter-intuitive, which Lyman evidently recognized in the new scopes introduced after the 5A.
clarence said
JWA said
I would have been happy to include that nice G6951R Type 1 in the book except Larry’s scope rings are installed backwards, the mount thumbscrews should both be on the left side
Leave them be, say I. Risk of scraping paint if they were reversed too great. Placing them on the Southpaw side actually seems counter-intuitive, which Lyman evidently recognized in the new scopes introduced after the 5A.
Yes, I will leave it alone. You are correct, the paint is really thin. I wonder how it happened though. JWA has seen all my guns and never mentioned it. Big Larry
Big Larry said
Yes, I will leave it alone. You are correct, the paint is really thin. I wonder how it happened though. JWA has seen all my guns and never mentioned it. Big Larry
Larry, I would leave it alone, as Clarence mentioned, the chances of doing damage are not worth the benefit of making it correct. Since I recommend not touching it, it did not seem important to mention it to you. I only mentioned it here to help other people install their scopes correctly, especially if they are purchasing a separate scope to restore a rifle (like the original poster). You can check your other .22 rifles with scopes to verify it, surprised you didn’t notice it yourself as you are as detail-oriented as I am.
To Clarence; I am left-handed, I grew up in the Ozarks to 7th generation “hillbillies” and my Granny always told me “I owed the Devil a days work” by being left-handed (among many other mountain-country pearls of wisdom).
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
JWA said
You can check your other .22 rifles with scopes to verify it, surprised you didn’t notice it yourself as you are as detail-oriented as I am.
Indeed he is! But it would be easy to overlook, as most other detachable mounts have the thumbscrew on the side sanctioned by Jehovah.
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