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Informations needed for a Winchester 1890 third version
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June 24, 2023 - 12:14 pm
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Hello!

I’m from France and just bought an elegant old lady and would like to have informations about. Please excuse my english or my lack of knowledge!

What I know:

-1890 third model in .22 short , serial numbers are the same and lead to 1913

-there are a lot of english graffitis on it… absolutely no taste in there! British proof marks tell that the 90 was there before 1925 (London lion+ letter mark), Birmingham stamps are from post 1954 (crown+BNP), 1961(cross swords+MB3) and 1984 to 1989 (6.5 tons per square inch). From what I know it probably has been used to form the trainee of the english army. So maybe the gun is a little tired?

-on the stock there’s an incription of “Lincoln Jeffries” and his “trademark” (a little man who aim at something). Apparently he was a gunmaker in Birmingham, mainly in air rifles. Maybe his society imported the 90? Now they produce pellets (Marksman)

-the “slide action/pump” mechanism seems to me a little hard. Two clues about it: I suspect too many frictions on the breech block and mainly I think that the hammer spring is not the right one. I looked on the pump side and it seems to work well.

 

What I would like to know:

-Among the **** *** **** *** *** “proof marks” on it, there’s one who say “22S 40g” (I think). Maybe it is 408? Maybe something else I can’t say. But if it is “40g”, it means 40g like the .22 LR. From what i know the .22S is between 27 and 29g so I don’t understand what it is about.

-Can anyone tell me if the hammer spring is the right one? I can try to do a better picture if necessary

-How is the gun for you? Good enough to shoot .22S once a week or just good to be collected?

-I put Ballistol on it (never will again, it stinks like vomit…), can I try to use a gun degreaser to clean it a lot or should I leave it in this state otherwise it would ruins the browning?

 

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Gun looks OK to me.  I’d shoot it.  According to the WACA records your gun was made in 1912.

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@Chuck Thank you for your answer (I didn’t receive a notification email so I thought no one answered, excuse me to be late!)
I thought it was 1913 but anyway I must have mistaken! I ordered some ammunition and wait for the shipping! 🙂

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Hi Bbmbsmd,

regarding the british proof marks:

 

.22S .408 means the gun is chambred in  22 Short, .408 being the length of the cartridge case.

Most of the 1890 we find in France are imported from UK (hence the horrible numerous stamps) as these guns are still  classified as live guns in GB and declassified as antiques (free to acquire) in France. (and he price is multiplied by 5 to 10 when crossing the channel…)

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