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January 15, 2021 - 6:18 pm
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I have what appears to be a model 62, based on the barrel identification but the serial number doesn’t match. It has a 6″ slide with 10 grooves, 23″ round barrel marked model 62 in .22 short . An unusual rear sight that is not hieght adjustable. A bullet shaped feed tube and the serial number is 849674. Overall length is 39.5″. Any help would be much appreciated, I suspect it is a pieced together gun but I can’t find any example of all these characteristics.

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January 15, 2021 - 11:12 pm
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Hello Zac,

I know exactly what you have, as I am conducting a research survey specifically designed to capture and record them. What you actually have is a late factory production parts clean-up Model 90 rifle. The receiver frame was manufactured in August 1938. The barrel has a 2-digit year number marked on the bottom right next to where it screws into the receiver frame. Please look for it and let me know what it is.

This is the link to the research survey topic… https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-survey-discussion/model-90-06-62-62a-survey/page-7/

If you can provide some clear pictures of your rifle, I would very much appreciate it.

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I recently acquired my grandpas old Model 62. The gun will not load a round into the chamber, nor pull a spent round out. After some examination, I found that the extractor was broken. Am I correct in thinking that replacing the extractor will fix both issues? Also while trying to find the year the gun was manufactured, every database stated there were only 400000ish guns produced. The serial number on both the receiver and stock are the same, 653XXX. Why can’t I find anything with that high of a number base? Any help is much appreciated, thanks!

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January 24, 2021 - 4:27 am
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What is the complete serial number on the subject rifle? Does it have an “A” or a “B” stamped below the serial number on the receiver frame?

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January 24, 2021 - 6:52 pm
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I see now that it does say A under the number, 653221. I had not seen this before.

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S Nisly said
I see now that it does say A under the number, 653221. I had not seen this before.  

That tells us that your Winchester was originally a Model 1890, and it was manufactured in January 1920. 

Somebody apparently removed the original barrel and replaced it with a Model 62 barrel.  The issue you are experiencing is most likely being caused by the cartridge carrier/lifter that was made for the Model 1890 barrel (which were chambered for a single specific .22 rim fire cartridge).  I recommend finding & buying a Model 1906/06 or Model 62 cartridge carrier and installing it in your rifle… I suspect that it will resolve the feeding & ejection problems.

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Interesting. So now I have multiple questions…

If I left the receiver as is, it would only shoot WRF rounds correct? And these rounds would work with the M62 barrel?

The other option, that you mentioned, would be to convert the receiver to shoot .22 S, L, and LR. However, is it possible that it has already been converted and the reason it is not feeding/extracting is because the extractor is broken? (I took the extractor off and it is for sure broken.)

Thanks again for all the help

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Interesting. So now I have multiple questions…

If I left the receiver as is, it would only shoot WRF rounds correct? And these rounds would work with the M62 barrel?

The other option, that you mentioned, would be to convert the receiver to shoot .22 S, L, and LR. However, is it possible that it has already been converted and the reason it is not feeding/extracting is because the extractor is broken? (I took the extractor off and it is for sure broken.)

Thanks again for all the help  

In answer to your first question, No, it cannot “shoot” WRF rounds.  It might feed them from the magazine up to the chamber, but it cannot shoot them. The chamber in the Model 62 barrel is not large enough to allow the 22 WRF cartridge to be inserted.

If the cartridge lifter/carrier has been converted, it should feed the cartridges correctly from the magazine tube all the way into the chamber.  Likewise, the broken extractor should not have any affect on the proper feeding of the cartridges.

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OK, forgive me for my lack of knowledge. .22 longs fit into the carrier, but are not pushed into the barrel. I’ve been looking at schematics trying to find the part that pushes the round forward, but have not figured it out. What part is responsible for doing this? 

Side note: While looking at these schematics, many of them show a “cartridge stop and pin”. I’m not seeing this on my gun. Are there slightly different versions or am I just missing it?

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My advice is that you take the rifle to an actual gun smith and let him figure out what parts you need to replace to get it functional.  It is difficult at best trying to diagnose what is wrong or broken on your rifle without the benefit of actually examining it in the flesh.

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January 25, 2021 - 3:28 am
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Ok thanks for all your help, I’ll look into that. If you still could identify the part that pushes the round into the chamber, that would be very helpful. Thanks again.

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Actually it is the extractor that also pushes the round out of the carrier and into the chamber. If your extractor is missing or broken off, replacing

it can solve both your problems.

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January 25, 2021 - 3:52 am
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Awesome! That is very helpful. Thank you so much! After alot of time looking at it, I figured that had to be what it was.

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OK, forgive me for my lack of knowledge. .22 longs fit into the carrier, but are not pushed into the barrel. I’ve been looking at schematics trying to find the part that pushes the round forward, but have not figured it out. What part is responsible for doing this? 

Side note: While looking at these schematics, many of them show a “cartridge stop and pin”. I’m not seeing this on my gun. Are there slightly different versions or am I just missing it?  

First, the extractor has a lip on it behind the actual extractor hook. That is what pushes the cartridge into the chamber.

The cartridge stop and pin are only found on model 1906 and 62 cartridge lifters. They are designed to shoot all 3 of the 22’s (short, long long rifle) it is a little flipper mounted in the nose of the lifter. 1890 lifters are specific to the cartridge the barrel is chambered for. The 1890 lifters are identical with the only difference being how deep the cartridge slot has been milled. Same with the WRF but it is slightly larger in diameter. The cartridge it is designed for should sit flush with the end of the lifter. Example being, if you try and shoot shorts out of a rifle chambered for long or long rifle it will feed about 1 1/2 shorts into the lifter resulting in a jam. If you try and shoot long rifles out of a short lifter only a portion of the round will seat and the lifter will not be able to rise because a portion of the shell is still in the magazine tube. 

Let me know if you need an extractor, I have a few extra’s.

 

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I do need an extractor. I found ones on Ebay for $35 that say they are new. I would much rather put a new part in than a used. What are the details on yours?

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Mine are all Original used ones.  35 To your door and they will fit.  What you are seeing on Ebay is new after market parts.

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For the same price, I think I’d rather get a new part rather than used. Even if it is after market. Thanks a bunch anyways for the offer and for the help

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As a word of caution, aftermarket parts do not always fit properly, often requiring you to alter them to fit & function correctly.  Original (used) parts will 99% of the time drop right in and function correctly.

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S Nisly, you should do what Bert says.  Tom won’t steer you wrong and I know he will do his best to help you out.

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Chuck said
S Nisly, you should do what Bert says.  Tom won’t steer you wrong and I know he will do his best to help you out.  

Ok, if the after market parts are not exact, then I agree. Erin how do I proceed with purchasing an extractor from you?

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