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January 17, 2024 - 2:40 pm
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Opinions on this strange 1890 tang/serial number combination? 

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What am I missing? Is the upper tang stamp type “off” for the serial number range?

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What am I missing? Is the upper tang stamp type “off” for the serial number range?

  

It most certainly is “off”.  The UT marking on that rifle is the first style found on the First and early Second variation Model 1890 rifles.  The rest of the rifle is a correct late Third variation Model 90. 

The s/n 679295 indicates that it was manufactured in October 1921, and as such, it should have a tang marking as shown in the attached picture below.

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I’m not sure exactly when the upper tang was changed to just say Winchester?  I have a 1924 gun that only has the Winchester with the Trade Mark above and the Patent below.  Around 1919 the Model 1890’s were changed to Model 90’s.  This could be a transition from old parts to new parts.

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Bert, if you were just a little quicker I wouldn’t have wasted my time. Embarassed

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Bert, if you were just a little quicker I wouldn’t have wasted my time. Embarassed

Well… I am slowing down in my advancing years, but then again, aren’t we all!

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It most certainly is “off”.  The UT marking on that rifle is the first style found on the First and early Second variation Model 1890 rifles.  The rest of the rifle is a correct late Third variation Model 90. Bert H. said
 

If I explained all that to the Iron Cowboy, do you think he’d knock down his price?  Or knock me down, verbally at least?  What IS it worth, all things considered?

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It most certainly is “off”.  The UT marking on that rifle is the first style found on the First and early Second variation Model 1890 rifles.  The rest of the rifle is a correct late Third variation Model 90. Bert H. said

If I explained all that to the Iron Cowboy, do you think he’d knock down his price?  Or knock me down, verbally at least?  What IS it worth, all things considered?

His Buy it Now price is reasonable enough in my opinion.

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That trigger guard had to be at the bottom of the parts bin for some 20 yrs. I suppose the unusualness of the tang/serial number combo is worth a bit of a premium to some collectors just for a conversation piece. 

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