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Picked up an early 9422 Magnum that was engraved in Japan during a tour there in the 70’s by an aging veteran. Just the two sides of the receiver are done. The squirrel and rabbit are silver. Wondering what type of added value (if any) this may add to the base price of the rifle.
Erin
Erin,
The gun was engraved including the animals and refinished then the silver was plated or painted over the animals. Its not a inlayed silver. I can see the silver outside of the squirrel from brushing it on. I don’t see any tarnish on the silver so it might be a low silver mix.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bob,
The squirrel and rabbit protrude about 20- 30 thousandths from the side of the receiver. (easily felt with your finger) They were close to a bronze color when I got the rifle, I ran a cotton ball with bore solvent over both sides of the receiver to remove 40 + years of dried oil off the gun so I don’t believe they are painted..… Any way, back to the original question of is there any added value?
Erin
Erin,
It all depends on the person. A Collector buying it for investment may not like the aftermarket work and shy away from it while a another that likes the looks of it might pay up over a standard gun. Its just like a Turnbull gun that’s been upgraded and how well the finish matches original guns.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Thanks Bob,
It will be one of those, you can always come down on price but you can’t go up………
Best,
Erin
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I think the engraving, good or bad as you may think it is (I think it’s pretty good, & superior in composition to many small-game guns you see with stags, buffalo, or other stupidly inappropriate figures on them) is better than the rifle. (Incidentally, that’s a hare, not a rabbit.) Jeez, look at the wood to metal fit. 9422s are characteristic of Winchester’s long downhill slide, so let’s not pretend they’re “classics” merely because they’re out of production Sorry, Erin, no offense intended, but you asked for an opinion. To the folks (unsophisticated, shall we say) buying such things as new Henry rifles, such a gun ought to be very appealing, certainly worth more than a plain 9422.
To the so-called “collector” who might say “but you’ve spoiled an original Winchester!”, all I could say is, “Oh, brother!”
Thanks for your input Clarence. No offense taken, I asked for opinions and your input is appreciated. The rifle was part of a package deal and I’m into it for a very reasonable price. I’m fully with you on modern “classics” and have no intention of taking up real estate in a safe to harbor it. Hopefully the sale of it will reduce the cost of the “keepers” in the package. Hence my inquiry of potential added value….
As to the person who may think the rifle has been defiled by the engraving, one has to put it in the correct context. When it was done, the rifle was brand new and was far from a modern “classic”.
Best,
Erin
I’ve never created a subjective ranking, but your post incentivized me to do so. Here is my personal opinion:
Fail
Playing around
Trying
Practice
Accomplished
Professional
Expert
Master
I would say this gun was done by a professional. The concept and the macro-intent is excellent; something an Accomplished/Professional/Expert/Master engraver would design. The execution, from a micro-perspective, is probably in the area of Accomplished/Professional. There is some stuttering, breaks, wobbles and inconsistency. However, I have seen some real crap, and this strikes me as much better and done by someone who cares and who has some time-in.
Everyone was crapping on the two 73’s on GunBroker recently, and I was hoping the problem was the price, or maybe some serial number fraud, or stock issues because, from what I could tell (from the not-so-great photos), the engraving looked Master. Which had me wondering: Was the engraving legit and somehow cannibalized onto some other parts? If so, how did the fraudster come upon the engraved parts and how bad could the original guns have been, really, to cause someone to mess with serial numbers and other parts? Why would someone do that? Or is the engraving fraud too?
Anyway, to answer your questions, I think the engraving on this gun adds $400.00 to $500.00 for me. The balance is there, aesthetically, and from an arms length away, it adds to, rather than detracts from the over all flow. Too bad there is no OB,CB or fore-end cap. That would really boost the balance and flow.
P.S. Off topic, but has anyone ever seen a 9422 with OBCBFM and, if not, could a guy put something like that together with parts from something else, or is the 9422 so different that you’d have to start from scratch? I had one as a kid, but don’t remember much about them.
Huck,
Thank you very much for the detailed reply. I’m very happy you broke it down on skill levels, it made it very easy to understand. Your price point was very much in mind with mine as to what type of premium should be attached to the rifle. Great post!
Erin
Huck Riley said
P.S. Off topic, but has anyone ever seen a 9422 with OBCBFM and, if not, could a guy put something like that together with parts from something else, or is the 9422 so different that you’d have to start from scratch? I had one as a kid, but don’t remember much about them.
These are my thoughts on your “project”
I would start with an 1890 barrel, 2 line address so it doesn’t say model 1890 or 90 on it. Barrel could be shortened, threaded accordingly and rechambered. Appropriate caliber recut. A rear magazine band would have to be used in the front to hold the tube in place
There may be a spacing issue between the barrel and magazine tube…
I would order a 1890 butt stock semi inlet with out the cut for the tang and fit it accordingly.
Now comes the tricky part, which I think would require some Marlin parts…. Because I don’t believe Winchester made an OB forearm cap small enough to use on an 1890. The original barrel bands would be scrapped and a forearm tenon installed to mount the cap to. There is lots of meat on the sides of the forearm so I believe the original could be modified to work with an OB. Would require refinishing to get a proper color match with the “new” butt stock.
That’s a preliminary idea that would take a bunch of measuring before the trigger is pulled on that project.
OR a guy could just go buy an 1892 marlin and call it good nuff.
I actually had one of those with a factory 28″ barrel. Sold it a couple years back. Pretty neat rifle tho.
Erin Grivicich said
Wow; thanks for taking the time to present that. My initial thoughts were that I don’t have the time, skill set, or tools to do that. Then I thought, well, I have taken on projects that were over my head and, with patience, they turned out pretty good. Plus, I need to re-acquire a better understanding of time. Projects like this are good for that, and for the soul. So . . . hmmm. Maybe.
Huck Riley said
Erin Grivicich said
Wow; thanks for taking the time to present that. My initial thoughts were that I don’t have the time, skill set, or tools to do that. Then I thought, well, I have taken on projects that were over my head and, with patience, they turned out pretty good. Plus, I need to re-acquire a better understanding of time. Projects like this are good for that, and for the soul. So . . . hmmm. Maybe.
I really like projects like this, just because I love a challenge…… And scratching my head! Quite gratifying when your finished project turns out better than you ever expected.
Erin
Erin Grivicich said
OR a guy could just go buy an 1892 marlin and call it good nuff.
“Good nuff”? I’d call it–conservatively–a zillion times better! And probably for LESS money, after paying for all the Frankenstein-work you described; although I presume you were funnin’. Gee, how could you bear to part with that ’92, if it was in decent shape?
clarence said
Gee, how could you bear to part with that ’92, if it was in decent shape?
Easy, I bought another Winchester with the proceeds.
Never cared for the extraction or ejection system on the lever 22 Marlins. Pretty flimsy and problematic. Parts are not easily obtainable and usually once found, they are in no better shape than the ones you want to replace. Just my experience….
Erin
clarence said
“Good nuff”? I’d call it–conservatively–a zillion times better! And probably for LESS money, after paying for all the Frankenstein-work you described; although I presume you were funnin’. Gee, how could you bear to part with that ’92, if it was in decent shape?
I think I messed up again and posted on the wrong thread. Pay no attention to my post since I don’t know how to delete it.
Erin Grivicich said
Never cared for the extraction or ejection system on the lever 22 Marlins. Pretty flimsy and problematic. Parts are not easily obtainable and usually once found, they are in no better shape than the ones you want to replace. Just my experience….
Erin
Didn’t know that, but does it also apply to the Model 39? If so, it sure hasn’t hurt their popularity!
Huck Riley said
I probably would not cannibalize a good gun but, rather, buy parts.
Huck,
You really wouldn’t be cannabilizing it. All the original parts could be reinstalled with the exception of the forearm. (wood is still pretty cheap for these) I guess you could think of it as a makeover.
Erin
clarence said
Didn’t know that, but does it also apply to the Model 39? If so, it sure hasn’t hurt their popularity!
Clarence,
I should of been more specific in my original post on the Marlins, My experience is limited to the 92’s & 97’s which both have the same problems. I can’t speak for the 39’s as I have never worked on one. (might be something to that)
Best,
Erin
Erin Grivicich said
Huck,
You really wouldn’t be cannabilizing it. All the original parts could be reinstalled with the exception of the forearm. (wood is still pretty cheap for these) I guess you could think of it as a makeover.
Erin
I was thinking about the barrel off the 90, etc. I would not take apart an otherwise good gun. I’d try to find a barrel somewhere.
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