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I have a couple of old bullets – they appear to be .22 cal. but they are longer than a .22 Long-Rifle. The headstamp just says “US”. What are these?
Dan
The 22 Extra Long is 1.107″ long
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Is it for a particular gun – I guess I have never seen a rifle that shoots a .22 Extra Long – can they shoot regular .22’s also?
Dan
A few 1873’s were chambered for them. Along with a few other Winchester and other makes used them. You could shoot a shorter 22 in a gun made for the Extra long.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Deg said
I have a couple of old bullets – they appear to be .22 cal. but they are longer than a .22 Long-Rifle. The headstamp just says “US”. What are these?
Could be 22 WRF.
The Models 1902, 1904, and Single Shot were all factory chambered for the 22 Extra Long.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
As far as the head stamp goes, the “US”, indicates the United States Cartridge Company.(Lowell, Mass. 1867-1926) They were a very formidable ammunition producer during the Civil War and later.
It was one of the companies that Winchester later acquired and took over. I don’t remember the date and will have to look it up, to refresh my memory. My memory reminds me that it was after Olin took over from Winchester between the two World Wars, some time during the depression years.
Anthony
Bert H. said
Deg said
I have a couple of old bullets – they appear to be .22 cal. but they are longer than a .22 Long-Rifle. The headstamp just says “US”. What are these?
Could be 22 WRF.
The Models 1902, 1904, and Single Shot were all factory chambered for the 22 Extra Long.
Bert
these are the same dia. as the regular .22 LR just longer.
Dan
Dan, it sounds like Bert nailed it with the .22WRF,(Winchester Rim Fire). The .22 WRF, was developed in 1890, for a few different firearms, and is still in production today, on a limited basis.
Take note of what Bob added with the length measurement, and the use of other .22 cartridges.
Several different .22 caliber rim fire cartridges have been developed, and as recently a few more.
With today’s information at our fingertips on our PC’s we can look up and learn a lot. There we’re and are several developments in the cartridge industry, through out time, and it can be very interesting research, and will really help to understand, in the development of firearms, going back to the development of cartridges from Black powder to the smokeless powder of today.
Anthony
Ok – well I don’t want to wear anyone out with this but
“The Models 1902, 1904, and Single Shot were all factory chambered for the 22 Extra Long.”
Let me make sure what I am reading – are we saying the Models 1902 and 1904 used these Extra Long’s AND Single Shots did/could “also”? These bullets look to be the same dia as a regular .22 – but I just tried to drop one in my old Model 59 and it stopped at the casing. I did not try to push it in, a regular .22 drops in, this one stopped.
Dan
You would need to measure the cartridge with a micrometer to determine what you have. If you don’t then put a 22 LR next to it side by side with a ruler and post a picture which my help.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Deg said
here it is and larger dia that I really paid attention to.
Dan
Deg said
Let me make sure what I am reading – are we saying the Models 1902 and 1904 used these Extra Long’s AND Single Shots did/could “also”? These bullets look to be the same dia as a regular .22 – but I just tried to drop one in my old Model 59 and it stopped at the casing. I did not try to push it in, a regular .22 drops in, this one stopped.
Yes, There were some single shots chambered specifically for .22 Extra Long (I think somewhere between 200-300 of them….288?).
Here is mine (originally from Jolly Bill), made in 1893.
Based on your measurements your specimen appears to be a .22 WRF though.
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Deg said
Deg said
here it is and larger dia that I really paid attention to.
I am struggling with getting the pictures up upload right side up – I can’t know…
Dan
Yes, and the 1902 and 1904 specifically say “Extra Long” also.
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Well then that makes my head hurt – that picture clearly shows “Long or Extra Long” and the bullet casing I just measured was larger than the Long. The Long is .223 and the Extra Long is .247 – how can that work? I am missing something.
Dan
I think you missed my earlier comment, based on your measurements you likely have a .22 WRF, not a .22 extra long. The .22 WRF has a larger diameter base (with a slightly tapered case).
The .22 short, long, long rifle and extra long all have a straight wall case.
Best Regards,
The .25 Stevens is larger than your example.
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
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