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October 14, 2024
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I thought that it was interesting to see that the last page listed one that was delivered to a hardware store in my home town of Lancaster, PA. I’ve never heard of the F. Winter Hardware Co.
March 31, 2009
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Brad, are these records for the 30-40?
September 19, 2014
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Chuck, I am not Brad, but the header for each says “30 Government Rimless”. They date such as to earliest ones having to be the .30 Gov 03. Last could be the 30 Gov 06 EXCEPT for the notation of the shipment of model 03 cartridges that Brad listed. So, not the .30 Army or .30 Gov or .30-40. Tim
March 31, 2009
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Tim, you are correct. I was confused. 30 US or Army for the 30-40. 30-06 or 30-06 Gov. 30-03 or 30-03 Gov.
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September 19, 2014
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Chuck, It’ll be my turn next! Then you can help me. Tim
June 11, 2014
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Beautiful condition! I would not be able to pass something like that up eithter.
February 17, 2026
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That is a beautiful gun! Congratulations!
April 3, 2018
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Most interesting.
The pictured custom 1899 apparently took some time to build, accounting for the order and delivery dates. The sights and checking are excellent, if not unique.
I own a Savage EG 1899 in 250-3000 and Arthur Savage derived a first rate usable rifle. For Canadian readers, a 99 in 30 WCF belonging to one Albert Johnson kept the RCMP busy for a good while in the Northwest Territories about 1932-33. Still one of the longest manhunts in Canadian enforcement history.
The history of the 1895 and the 30-03 Govt cartridge is also quite a story. In the 1980s, I owned two 1895 carbines in 30-03 caliber. Wish I still owned them now.
January 20, 2023
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The Savage 99EG in 250-3000 was so far ahead of its time, there really was nothing else like it. The EG has enough barrel length to stabilize a 100 grain bullet with the 1-14 twist Savage had settled on to get an 87 grain bullet to 3000 fs.
While the 30 Winchester was still common among East Texas hunters in the postwar years (after that area’s deer herd recovered from Depression Era poaching and the screw worm), Central and West Texas saw a lot of Savage rifles, particularly after Bill Weaver made scopes affordable for the working man. As I recall, both the EG and the R were factory drilled and tapped when production restarted in the late Forties.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
March 14, 2022
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While we’re on the topic, a few of mine. And very nice gun mrcvs. I’m jealous.
Rick C
September 22, 2011
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Rick C said
While we’re on the topic, a few of mine. And very nice gun mrcvs. I’m jealous.
I think yours are beautiful! How about details on each? And where did you get the vintage ammunition? I need that to complete the package!
March 14, 2022
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Thanks.
Top to bottom:
First year 1899 250-3000 perch belly made in 1915 TD, pg, 22″ bl checkering,
99F TD 22″ bl feather weight, 303 made in 1928.
99E 22” bl scarce solid frame 22 Hi Power made in 1932
99H bl band carbine 20″ bl 30-30 made in 1934.
Also have a scarce high condition Savage model 1895 with octagon bl and has the bolt cocking indicator and shot indicator 5000 serial number range made in 1896.
Ammo came from gun shows and GI.
Rick C
September 22, 2011
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Rick C said
Thanks.
Top to bottom:
First year 1899 250-3000 perch belly made in 1915 TD, pg, 22″ bl checkering,
99F TD 22″ bl feather weight, 303 made in 1928.
99E 22” bl scarce solid frame 22 Hi Power made in 1932
99H bl band carbine 20″ bl 30-30 made in 1934.
Also have a scarce high condition Savage model 1895 with octagon bl and has the bolt cocking indicator and shot indicator 5000 serial number range made in 1896.
Ammo came from gun shows and GI.
I also have a .250-3000 from 1915. What amazes me about this cartridge is that it’s not a necked down .303 Savage, but, instead, the parent case is .30-06.
March 14, 2022
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Very nice rifle and great photos mrcvs. I was always intrigued by the first commercial cartridge to reach 3000fps(87gr bullet) and wanted one. The 1899 was well ahead of its time. 🤐
Rick C
September 22, 2011
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Rick C said
Very nice rifle and great photos mrcvs. I was always intrigued by the first commercial cartridge to reach 3000fps(70gr bullet) and wanted one. The 1899 was well ahead of its time. 🤐
Those are auction house photographs, as I’m not nearly that good. Another one came up for auction recently, not quite as nice as mine, but almost so, and the hammer price was attractive. I didn’t bid on it as I was chasing down something else later in the auction. Had I to do it over in retrospect, I would have bid on it.
December 30, 2011
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That looks like a really nice rifle Ian. I think the 1899 250-3000 rifles are really fun to shoot and great to carry in the woods.
March 31, 2009
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Very nice rifles. I don’t have one but I tend to look at the 1895 Model because it is antique. I have a Newton so I’ve always liked his cartridges.
March 14, 2022
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I’ll get a few pics of the 1895 and post soon. It’s one of my favs. 😬
Rick C
August 27, 2014
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Big fan of the ‘Perch Belly’ stock on an 1899
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October 14, 2024
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Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong but, I think the 250-3000 was the first American cartridge to go over 3000 ft./s. I believe it was the 280 Ross that went over 3000 ft./s first
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