Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters




sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_Print sp_TopicIcon
Antique Winchester 1892 rifle in .25 - 20 WCF with several special order features.
October 16, 2021
4:07 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1093
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

802F5905-C4FD-4F1D-BD25-AC82C162AD15.jpegImage Enlarger

356D6BBD-F2E1-4245-8C99-A1589DB66F7F.jpegImage Enlarger01D00F1B-0319-440D-84F7-87E3865EA1A4.jpegImage Enlarger

A great find!  My latest acquisition.  Manufactured in 1896.  The photographs display all features (pistol grip, checkered “I”style, rubber shotgun butt, round barrel with button magazine, folding Globe front sight, Lyman #6 rear sight, tang sight).  There still is great stuff out there!

DF646CF5-444E-412F-B7E6-84439678CC7F.jpegImage EnlargerFEABC8BA-E7B1-457F-A529-36EDC61A1353-1.jpegImage Enlarger

October 16, 2021
4:31 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1093
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

And the front & rear sights.  Thank you Clarence for properly identifying the Lyman #6 rear sight. 78854EAB-F449-494E-A053-B7AC27F82578.jpegImage Enlarger

7E8B1D24-7391-4747-9C97-A12073FACF11.jpegImage EnlargerC8D39355-A981-4AFE-9FF7-39553742399E.jpegImage EnlargerE4124FB9-72F8-4331-BF36-9A57BC3E9680.jpegImage Enlarger

The lack of any loss of bluing from the movement of a wedge suggests this rear sight is original to this rifle.

October 16, 2021
5:45 pm
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 12093
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ian,

The checkering pattern on your new (old) Model 1892 is the I-pattern, and it was the standard pattern used for plain (straight) grain stocks.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

October 16, 2021
6:25 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1093
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Bert H. said
The checkering pattern on your new (old) Model 1892 is the I-pattern, and it was the standard pattern used for plain (straight) grain stocks.

I corrected my original post to reflect this.  I posted straight from memory and I forgot my checkering patterns, although the pattern is obviously standard and the least extensive.

October 16, 2021
7:14 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1181
Member Since:
July 8, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

mrcvs said
802F5905-C4FD-4F1D-BD25-AC82C162AD15.jpegImage Enlarger

356D6BBD-F2E1-4245-8C99-A1589DB66F7F.jpegImage Enlarger01D00F1B-0319-440D-84F7-87E3865EA1A4.jpegImage Enlarger

A great find!  My latest acquisition.  Manufactured in 1896.  The photographs display all features (pistol grip, checkered “I”style, rubber shotgun butt, round barrel with button magazine, folding Globe front sight, Lyman #6 rear sight, tang sight).  There still is great stuff out there!

DF646CF5-444E-412F-B7E6-84439678CC7F.jpegImage EnlargerFEABC8BA-E7B1-457F-A529-36EDC61A1353-1.jpegImage Enlarger  

Very nice rifle.

October 16, 2021
8:08 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 301
Member Since:
April 1, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

mrcvs said
And the front & rear sights.  Thank you Clarence for properly identifying the Lyman #6 rear sight. 78854EAB-F449-494E-A053-B7AC27F82578.jpegImage Enlarger

7E8B1D24-7391-4747-9C97-A12073FACF11.jpegImage EnlargerC8D39355-A981-4AFE-9FF7-39553742399E.jpegImage EnlargerE4124FB9-72F8-4331-BF36-9A57BC3E9680.jpegImage Enlarger

The lack of any loss of bluing from the movement of a wedge suggests this rear sight is original to this rifle.  

I like that front sight – am curious if the records for this gun specifically note any of the sights – 92’s I have owned always seem to be silent on sights – example attached.

92ltr.JPGImage Enlarger92d1.JPGImage Enlarger92dlx.JPGImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments
October 16, 2021
8:49 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1093
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I don’t have a factory letter on it but it will be forthcoming in time.

October 17, 2021
12:51 am
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3548
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Burt Humphrey said

I like that front sight

  

So do I, but it’s been driven in backwards–the ivory should face the shooter.  Lyman #5.

October 17, 2021
1:31 am
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1093
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

clarence said

Burt Humphrey said

I like that front sight

  

So do I, but it’s been driven in backwards–the ivory should face the shooter.  Lyman #5.  

Wow, I didn’t know that front sight was the “sleeper” when it came to this rifle.  Yes, I was aware it was uncommon, but so too is a shotgun butt, pistol grip, checkering, button magazine, etc.

So, if it’s installed backwards, it should fold down forwards instead of backwards, if properly installed?

October 17, 2021
2:29 am
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3548
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

mrcvs said

Wow, I didn’t know that front sight was the “sleeper” when it came to this rifle.  Yes, I was aware it was uncommon, but so too is a shotgun butt, pistol grip, checkering, button magazine, etc.

So, if it’s installed backwards, it should fold down forwards instead of backwards, if properly installed?  

It’s not really rare–the SG BP is more uncommon. The ivory post is useless if it can’t be seen by shooter.

October 17, 2021
2:40 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1093
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

clarence said

It’s not really rare–the SG BP is more uncommon. The ivory post is useless if it can’t be seen by shooter.  

I suppose the question is should the sight fold rearwards, as it does, or forwards?  When folded down, the ivory post is visible from both sides.  When up, the ivory post touches the front side of the barrel so as to not be visible at all, and you have the round globe with a post.  Which makes more sense to me as the visible folded down front ivory bead might be confusing when firing using the elevated globe sight and post.

Thoughts?

See attached photographs.

EA297FD5-1838-459B-A3EC-479465BAD8B4.jpegImage Enlarger96161EBB-21FA-4086-8342-D38492D46359.jpegImage Enlarger802E64B1-DF9A-433B-AEFD-EE30690BC953.jpegImage Enlarger

October 17, 2021
2:42 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1093
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

4F5F7FB8-26C5-4564-AA9D-D7CC4882A552.jpegImage EnlargerAnd so much for the theory of visible ivory when using the globe sight.  I see this is visible as a small dot when folded up.  See repeated photograph.

October 17, 2021
3:25 pm
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3548
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

mrcvs said
And so much for the theory of visible ivory when using the globe sight.  I see this is visible as a small dot when folded up.  See repeated photograph.  

That white dot is merely the butt end of the ivory post.  Maybe it was Lyman’s idea that if the top of the post was damaged, it could be pushed up higher through that hole, though the ivory is so tightly fitted into its socket that I’m skeptical it could be done without damage to the ivory.  Actually, I tried doing that once–the ivory wouldn’t budge.

October 17, 2021
3:40 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1093
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

So, is it correct as is or backwards?  I would think it is correct and the globe sight folds backwards, just like a tang sight.  IIRC, Globe sights fold backwards.  I have two Model 1873 rifles in which they fold backwards, again IIRC.  Neither are readily accessible at this time.

October 17, 2021
4:08 pm
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 12093
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

mrcvs said
So, is it correct as is or backwards?  I would think it is correct and the globe sight folds backwards, just like a tang sight.  IIRC, Globe sights fold backwards.  I have two Model 1873 rifles in which they fold backwards, again IIRC.  Neither are readily accessible at this time.  

Ian,

The front sight is currently installed backwards on your Model 1892, and any other gun if it folds to the rear.  The Beach Combination and Lyman No. 5 Combination sights were designed to fold towards the muzzle.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

October 17, 2021
5:04 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1181
Member Since:
July 8, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I have the same sight on my model 1892 takedown.

IMG_8725.JPGImage EnlargerIMG_8723.JPGImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments
October 17, 2021
5:31 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 352
Member Since:
September 19, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Bert and others,  I agree fully with Bert on this topic.  Have seen them installed backwards, and the current owners were happy and sure that was correct.  But…..supposed to fold forwards.  TimKiss

October 17, 2021
5:38 pm
Avatar
Troutdale, OR
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1219
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I have the same sight on my 1894 32 WS.  Installed folding forward as well:

P1070841-1.JPGImage EnlargerP1070843-1.JPGImage EnlargerP1070844-1.JPGImage EnlargerP1070847-1.JPGImage Enlarger

Don

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments
October 17, 2021
5:58 pm
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3548
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

tim tomlinson said
 Have seen them installed backwards, and the current owners were happy and sure that was correct. 

Rather amazing those owners wouldn’t instinctively grasp, without instruction, that the aiming point of the sight should be facing toward the shooter, not the target.

October 17, 2021
6:22 pm
Avatar
Wisconsin
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5022
Member Since:
May 2, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Nice looking 92. The ivory is up too high. It should be flush with the metal tit. That is there to protect the ivory from getting broken off.

Bob

WACA Life Member---
NRA Life Member----
Cody Firearms member since 1991

73_86cutaway.jpg

Email: bob.1873man@gmail.com

Forum Timezone: UTC 0

Most Users Ever Online: 628

Currently Online: seewin, 1ned1, coldweld@live.com
70 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)


Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 16

Topics: 9526

Posts: 82416


Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1292

Members: 10917

Moderators: 3

Admins: 3


Top Posters:

1873man: 5022

TXGunNut: 3566

clarence: 3548

Chuck: 3088

twobit: 2753

steve004: 2659

Maverick: 1876

JWA: 1657

Big Larry: 1632

RickC: 1574