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Antique 1894
August 27, 2014
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Hey Guys

Was so excited to get home and post this gun tonight. Just an old dirty 30 but one of my nicest Winchester’s to date for a young collector. A decent 30 WCF 26" round barrel, crescent butt plate ,ladder rear sight and Marble #2 front,Nice case colour hardening still visible in hammer and lever. Stamped on side of barrel Nickel steel barrel especially for smokeless powder. SN 37811 The only flaw is s small crack on the toe of the butt. Here is a few pictures.
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August 27, 2014
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Looks like a nice honest gun, you did good.

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August 27, 2014
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That’s a nice one. Looks like there is quite a bit of case color left, especially on the hammer.

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August 27, 2014
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That is definitely a very nice old Model 1894 Rifle 8)

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August 27, 2014
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Very nice antique 1894 to add to your collection ! 8)

August 28, 2014
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Very nice acquisition!! A ’94 that was made in 1898 is a very nice addition, especially in the condition yours is in.

August 28, 2014
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Gee’s I would love to have that in my rack.

August 29, 2014
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Congrats on a fine rifle to have. No wonder you were excited. The carbine style rear sight is interesting. Does the barrel top show nay wear pattern from the elevator of a longer buckhorn sight?

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August 29, 2014
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Yes very nice . If it wasnt for the flaking problem later , and for many years , ones like this would not stand out to be as special

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August 29, 2014
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twobit said
Congrats on a fine rifle to have. No wonder you were excited. The carbine style rear sight is interesting. Does the barrel top show nay wear pattern from the elevator of a longer buckhorn sight?

Michael

It doesn’t look like a carbine sight, looks like a sporting leaf that was standard on some 1886s

August 31, 2014
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Thanks for all the replies, Michael I think the rear sight is original to gun maybe ordered that way with a rifle style rear latter sight and a marbles number 2 front sight . Thanks Bruce

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August 31, 2014
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Bruce

I handled this gun a few different times. It’s a 25-35 rifle with a Winchester sporting front sight and this Winchester carbine rear sight. It’s possible it’s original to the rifle. I can’t tell for sure that it’s not original having looked at it. I think they are out there with unique sights and it’s interesting that your gun might have something similar.

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September 2, 2014
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That is a very nice looking 1894 rifle. Fantastic condition and I’m sure it has a lot of life still in it for being as old as it is. I have it’s twin brother and I love hunting with it. Not good at posting pictures but they look in similar condition and serial# 30766. It has a Lyman tang sight and blank in the rear sight dovetail. Also the top of my barrel is not marked Nickel Steel Barrel just on the under side. Great rifle!!!

September 2, 2014
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Bruce

The gun I posted pictures of is from 1902.

That looks like a Winchester Sporting Leaf sight to me on your rifle.

The front sight is not original to your rifle in my opinion. Marble was not making that type of sight when your rifle was manufactured. That’s not a big deal and you can find period correct front sights if you ever want to change it.

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September 3, 2014
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Brad

Measurement is 2and5/8" long of the rear sight on this rifle. Brad , is that what a ladder sight was called back then a Sporting Leaf Sight? Thanks for info on front Marble #2. Is there any hard evidence you have on Marbles manufacturing at this time period. Not saying your not right just like to get info on Marbles production of sights in 1898.

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September 3, 2014
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Bruce

I guess the sight on your rifle is what I think of if I hear "ladder sight". I’m not sure what all sights that term refers to.

The current Marble Arms website has a chronological booklet you can view as a pdf file that goes through when their sights were introduced in Marble catalogs. I looked through a lot of old advertising before I found this to find out a lot of the same things.
http://www.marblearms.com/pdf/GunSightsBook.pdf

In their book and in the advertising I looked at, the first Marble front sight is called the Marble’s Improved and I found advertising for that one from 1904. The gun sight book on their website says it first appeared in the 1903 catalog. They next show the Marble’s Standard Front Sight, or Standard Bead Sight, showing up in the 1904 catalog.

I’m of the belief they would have been advertising these sights before the early 1900s had they been making them in any sort of quantity. Marble was already advertising and selling the first safety axes and other items before then.

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September 3, 2014
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This is what I think an earlier Marble’s Standard Front Sight would look like. Lighting isn’t so good right here at the moment but you get the idea. I don’t have enough of a sample size to tell for sure but if you compare the Standard Front Sight in the top picture to a later one I had a few years ago I think you can see the difference. Both are No.3, which is the correct height for the smokeless caliber 1894. To the best of my knowledge, this sight wasn’t advertised until around 1904, as I mentioned in the earlier post.

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Here’s a copy of an ad from 1905.
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Thanks Brad

Good reading, I guess a standard German silver front sight would be the think to put on it . I have one but not the same quality as the gun, may leave it alone. What do you guys think?

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Bruce

If it were me I’d be patient and find exactly the right one for the gun. I’d just like to have it, maybe not even put it on the gun if I was going to shoot it and I liked what was on there already. Everybody’s different.

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