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Winchester Model 1873 s/n 2048
August 11, 2020
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 A truly fine article about a early survivor. One that has not been over cleaned, smoozed, or worked on. Original is only original once and it is the way it was shipped in 1874, how rare is that. I enjoyed the breakdown pictures as well as the measurements on the sight, I will copy them and keep for future reference. Thanks Chris. T/R 

August 12, 2020
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Chris,

Great article on a great old 73. I really like seeing the photos of the early sights which you don't see.

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August 12, 2020
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Thanks TR and Bob, its very much appreciated.  Also enjoyed looking it over with you guys at Tulsa and your comments regarding the rifle. 

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September 12, 2020
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Finally got around to reading this article, truly a special rifle and fortunate find. Great pics and descriptions, especially the tang sight. I didn’t know Winchester made a sight like that. 

 

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September 14, 2020
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Thanks Mike for your comments. 

There isnt a lot of information out there on the tang sight beyond a brief mention and an accompanying catalog image of the sight.  Its known to collectors, mentioned in Gordon's books, in Madis' sight book, and in Stroebel's book.  In Stroebel's description for the Graduated Tang Sight-Early Exposed Spring Type it mentions the eyepiece is adjusted for elevation by "loosening"  and then "tightening" to lock the setting in place.  On this particular sight, and others Ive seen since like it since, the eyepiece is adjusted by tension in the staff.  The eyepiece cant be loosened or tightened.  Its a single piece of steel.  

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September 14, 2020
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Chris, are the graduations on this sight on the back of the staff?  See page 135 of Rowe's book where he shows a "first style second model.  It has the graduations on the back and 73 stamped on the base.

September 14, 2020
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Chuck,  I dont have Rowe's book to see what he illustrates.  However, there are no markings on the staff or the underside of the sight.

 

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Chris, his picture looks just like yours on the front but the left side on the back has the graduations.  He doesn't say exactly where on the base the 73 is stamped.

September 15, 2020
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The most information I was able to find was in the Gordon 1873 books.  Evidently the sight was only mentioned in the Win catalogs in 1875 and 1879.  He also mentions they were available for the 1866 and occasionally found on the Henry rifle. And that it is seldom seen on the 1873.  Aside from that I dont know much about them. 

As for the sight in Rowe's book, is the back side of the aperature the same configuration?

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September 15, 2020
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They milled the top of back side so it has a flat so you could line up on a elevation mark.

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September 16, 2020
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Thanks Bob for the photo of the peep sight with the graduation markings.  The staff and peep look the same with the exception of the one I have doesnt have the graduation marks and as you noted regarding the milling of the back side of the peep so you could set on a graduation mark.  

I dont have the Win Catalogs and was wondering if the catalog distinguished between one with or without the gradated marks or did one simply follow the other in manufacture.  Also, if were both variants offered only up to 1879 in the catalog.  Is there any consensus as to when they were first in production--in other words, were they around long prior to their listing in the 1875 catalog or introduced at the time of the catalog publication? 

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Chris,

Technically the one in Rowe's book would be a Graduated Peep not just a Peep. I would think its a transition model.

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September 16, 2020
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Thanks Bob

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Chris I assume you got the picture in Rowe's book?  Yours is definitely earlier and rarer.  His picture is a later style made for the 73.  I'm not sure what this transitioned to?  Maybe the thick base graduated peep sight without the flat spring on the base?

Anyway, you have a cool gun and sight..

September 16, 2020
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Chuck,

Yes, Bob sent me a pic. 

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In Gordons book, he mentions the the 1879 catalog was the last year the "Peep" sight was listed, but also in the same catalog the Graduated Peep (Old Thick Base), the Vernier Peep (Old Thick Base, Long), and the Winchester Folding Peep are also listed for the same year.  So I would venture to guess that the thick base was the the next design to follow. 

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That is correct. The thick base granduated peep was the one that came after the peep. The thin base came later.

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 Chris, That's a rare sight. I have always looked for those but never had the chance to buy one. Of coarse when you go to gun shows with my brother he finds them first, then he lets me see his new purchase. T/R

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 Chris, That's a rare sight. I have always looked for those but never had the chance to buy one. Of coarse when you go to gun shows with my brother he finds them first, then he lets me see his new purchase. T/R  

He never ceases to amaze me with some of his finds at the Tulsa show. 

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