
November 7, 2015

Jeremy P said
On page 54 is the “Coral Gables Trust” full page ad regarding missing firearms from the Quisenberry estate. That is quite the list of firearms….I’d like to hear more of the background on what happened there!
I’m willing to bet there are at least two versions of this story and strong feelings involved. Sounds like some exceptional firearms involved to keep it from being just another estate drama.
Mike

April 15, 2005

Jeremy P said
On page 54 is the “Coral Gables Trust” full page ad regarding missing firearms from the Quisenberry estate. That is quite the list of firearms….I’d like to hear more of the background on what happened there!
While I do not know the actual answer, I suspect that some of his so-called “friends and family” liberated them before the estate executor took control. The “missing” guns are worth a LOT of $$$,$$$ !!
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

April 15, 2005

steve004 said
Adding up the approximate dollar value of all those pieces listed in their ad – that is surely a great deal of money.
Those three consecutive serial numbered Iron Frame Henry rifles could easily exceed the 1-million dollar mark.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

November 19, 2006

Bert H. said
steve004 said
Adding up the approximate dollar value of all those pieces listed in their ad – that is surely a great deal of money.
Those three consecutive serial numbered Iron Frame Henry rifles could easily exceed the 1-million dollar mark.
Indeed. And the Winchester M1876 One of One Hundred, and the two M1873 One of One Thousand would add a fair bit as well. I see the ad mentioned one of the M1873 One of One Thousand is a two-barrel set.

May 23, 2009

steve004 said
Indeed. And the Winchester M1876 One of One Hundred, and the two M1873 One of One Thousand would add a fair bit as well. I see the ad mentioned one of the M1873 One of One Thousand is a two-barrel set.
The Model 73 is a restored parts gun and the “two-barrel set” is from the restoration. One barrel is the original barrel that has been refinished, the second barrel is a “copy” of the original barrel.
The Model 76’s serial number is not listed in the factory ledger as a 1of100. It is one serial number off of one that is listed. But isn’t that sometimes often the case? Even if conveniently so? Hmm.
All that a side, I wish them the best of luck in their recovery. Will likely take years to get them back, if at all.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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April 30, 2023

Bert H. said
Jeremy P said
On page 54 is the “Coral Gables Trust” full page ad regarding missing firearms from the Quisenberry estate. That is quite the list of firearms….I’d like to hear more of the background on what happened there!
While I do not know the actual answer, I suspect that some of his so-called “friends and family” liberated them before the estate executor took control. The “missing” guns are worth a LOT of $$$,$$$ !!
This was my sentiment exactly. So many times, nothing brings out the claws like a death and the ensuing fight for inheritances…..that’s too bad but I think it’s highly likely this is the case…
Thought the same thing though about each model listed……crazy values on some of those I bet but add them all up? Wow.

September 19, 2014

I don’t wish to pass up a chance to spout off on this account. Look at the commercial firm in charge of being an apparent executor. Look at the numbers of branches of that firm. Someone, maybe a probate court, decreed them to act as executor and they have found some sort of inventory and are doing their due diligence to try to find and recover for the estate, probably with a probate court looking over their shoulder. It is possible some of the items were sold or traded off. We will likely never know the true outcome. I wouldn’t touch any of those listed with a ten foot pole, now, even if given the chance. Odds are their values just sank. Tim

November 7, 2015

I suppose this could serve as a reminder to keep our inventory lists up to date. Most of us do trades, sales and acquisitions on a handshake basis and have little or no records of transactions. Not saying this is the case here but I can certainly see the possibility.
On a brighter note our auction house magazine sponsors have certainly provided us with some excellent eye candy in this issue! If you’re going to the Rock Island Auction later this month I can assure you will see some awesome specimens and meet some of the good people Kevin has working with him to put on the auction. The host hotel is very comfortable with plenty of good places to eat nearby. Going to a big auction provides valuable insight into this growing segment of our hobby. Looks like lots of interesting auctions coming up.
Mike

September 19, 2014

Mike, you are definitely on point with keeping inventories up to date and all. In my mind the commercial firm is well motivated by avarice as well as most individuals are. Around here, executors are legally able to charge and receive 15% of the estate for doing the job as executor! Tim

November 7, 2015

tim tomlinson said
Mike, you are definitely on point with keeping inventories up to date and all. In my mind the commercial firm is well motivated by avarice as well as most individuals are. Around here, executors are legally able to charge and receive 15% of the estate for doing the job as executor! Tim
I have some experience as an executor and I can assure you I earned every penny of the customary fees. Almost all beneficiaries were easy to deal with, one actor (not a beneficiary) sued me but eventually learned all I owed him was a good butt whipping for the way he cheated my dad. He declined to collect what I felt I owed him. Estate’s primary attorney was quite relieved, secondary attorney hired for the suit kept getting me and the plaintiff mixed up so it was a pleasure to fire him when plaintiff’s attorney realized she was working for a con man. I have a file labelled “Albatross” in a cabinet around here somewhere with hundreds of pages I hope to never see again. I foreclosed on a second lien against a second con artist, paid off the first lien (in spite of primary lien holder’s efforts) and sold his home for a healthy profit to the estate! I’d say I came out pretty close to even and earned the estate a healthy five figure return for administering a couple of well-deserved smackdowns.
I think the firm seeking to sort this out may indeed be highly motivated. I don’t much care for popcorn these days but I’m pretty sure it will be an interesting show!
Mike

September 19, 2014

Mike, I sure would like to have a ring side seat and watch it all if I knew who the players were, etc. Don’t have to have popcorn, but scotch may be nice. Luckily I haven’t had personal dealings like yours, but did witness a shyster lawyer prolong settling an estate so he got a share of each year’s crop sales, etc. Finally had a real lawyer force his hand and settle and the main beneficiary was able to somehow get most of what she was owed. Likely this discussion is beating yet another dead horse and we will not know the outcome. Call me or text or PM if we have any further discussions on this topic. Tim

January 20, 2023

Texas is fortunate to have a modern and fairly humane probate system, although for many families of modest means it can be avoided completely with a little planning.
My personal opinion has always been it is a poor idea for the family attorney — or any attorney — to serve as an executor. If there is no family member or group of members able to serve, institutional executors (which are expensive, admittedly) are the safer choice. Most law firms are not equipped to provide the ongoing business and bookkeeping services an executor must provide or contract for. Serving as counsel to the estate is more seemly and keeps the attorney’s fingers out of the estate, which pleases his or her malpractice carrier no end.
When I was in school, the case book for our first course in Procedure started with the “fog analogy” of Bleak House, the Charles Dickens masterwork. The case before the Lord High Chancellor was Jarndyce v. Jarndyce, an estate matter so long-running and complex there was not a lawyer in England said to understand all of it. In the end, the entire estate was found to be penniless; all of it had been consumed by fees of all the lawyers, special masters, receivers, appraisers, and court costs.
Speaking only for myself, becoming involved in a monied estate with competing beneficiaries was a minefield to be avoided at all costs. Such things are a thankless risk to your hard-earned license and apt to cause arterial damage and sleepless nights. Give me a case between two angry, honest and litigious Texas “bid’nessmen” – preferably one with crop lands to hunt doves on in September.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.

March 31, 2009

I was the Successor Trustee for my brothers estate. One of the worst times of my life. I will have to relive this experience a second time when my Mother passes. I did have some help with 2 lawyers but just for 2 specific hurdles. When my father passed the State of Iowa appointed a lawyer but he is paid a predetermined fee so he gets no more no matter how much work he has to do.
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