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4BAF60C8-24C6-431E-AAD9-6B39EE9CE665.jpegImage EnlargerHello, I have a Winchester 94 with 3 leaf express sights that seem to be seized up and won’t flip up. Any suggestions on what to use to free them up?

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Kroil works very well, don’t be impatient. Let it work and give it a few applications over a 24 hour period.

 

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Daniel,

What do you have propping the sight up. The way it looks your damaging the sight by bending the base. If you want to work on it, remove the sight by tapping it to the right side of the gun with a brass punch. Install it by doing the reverse.

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Daniel,

What do you have propping the sight up. The way it looks your damaging the sight by bending the base. If you want to work on it, remove the sight by tapping it to the right side of the gun with a brass punch. Install it by doing the reverse.

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It’s a square piece of metal unknown why it’s there but it was used I guess to elevate sight 

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Take it out and see if the sight lays down and touches the barrel, If it doesn’t the sight is bent. That sight was not meant to have a elevator.

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1873man said
Take it out and see if the sight lays down and touches the barrel, If it doesn’t the sight is bent. That sight was not meant to have a elevator.

Bob  

If it is bent could it be straightened? It’s likely been there for 60+ years so it will likely be bent.

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50/50 yes it can be bent back or it will break. Its probably the wrong sight for the caliber if they had to use a elevator with it.

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1873man said
50/50 yes it can be bent back or it will break. Its probably the wrong sight for the caliber if they had to use a elevator with it.

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Pretty sure it’s the correct sight the front sight is the one I believe is incorrect possibly or it could have been some other issue. The front sight is a marbles sight CEF65668-7565-48F4-9AB5-0EC7156FAAB6.jpegImage Enlarger

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You have a carbine so if were mine I would put a carbine rear sight on it and the front blade can be replaced.

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You have a carbine so if were mine I would put a carbine rear sight on it and the front blade can be replaced.

Bob  

I’ll keep them on there because I believe they are original to the gun. If not oh well. Thanks for the help.

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You have a carbine so if were mine I would put a carbine rear sight on it and the front blade can be replaced.

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Would you have to known what marble sight the front sight is?

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Post a top view of the sight.

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1873man said
Post a top view of the sight.

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I do not have the gun with me right now. The best I can do is a picture of the other side of the carbine showing the sight. When I get the gun in my hands I’ll take a picture of the top of the sight.

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I think its a Marbles 94C

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I think its a Marbles 94C

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Could that have been an original combination with the express sight?

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In the Sight Book they did say the Express sight was put on carbines. The way to tell is to remove it and see if there are any wear marks of another sight being installed.

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If they were raising the rear sight they were trying to raise the point of impact.  I think the front sight is wrong and it needs to be shorter if used with the existing rear sight.  I would pull the material out that is raising the rear sight and replace the front sight with a standard carbine sight.  Don’t try to bend the sight or be very carful.  These will snap in half pretty easy.

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I would remove the sight from the gun, soak it overnight in Kroil, WD-40, or any good penetrate, and apply some heat before trying to move the blades. You can use a small micro torch or a heat gun. Dont force the blades to move. If you need to let them soak another day, that is okay. Kroil is the best. Smoke shops sell small butane torches that work perfectly for jobs like this for around $8.00-$10.00. Remove the sight from left to right from its dovetail.

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The first thing to do is remove that unsightly piece of metal from under the rear sight.  Then see what happens, before making any other changes.  In all probability the barrel’s dovetail has been stressed more that the sight itself.  Then, if the sight won’t lay flat on the barrel remove it and repair the stretched dovetail and re-insert the sight.  If it is still bent upwards you can carefully straighten it out by tapping in the underside with a hobby ball peen hammer.  In the meantime, if the sight blades are still frozen, soak the sight overnight in Kroil.

Once you get the rear sight to fit and work properly, take it out to the range and fire a few shots to see how it shoots.  Then you’ll know more about whether the front sight is correct, or not, and whether any further modifications are needed.

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The first thing to do is remove that unsightly piece of metal from under the rear sight.  Then see what happens, before making any other changes.  In all probability the barrel’s dovetail has been stressed more that the sight itself.  Then, if the sight won’t lay flat on the barrel remove it and repair the stretched dovetail and re-insert the sight.  If it is still bent upwards you can carefully straighten it out by tapping in the underside with a hobby ball peen hammer.  In the meantime, if the sight blades are still frozen, soak the sight overnight in Kroil.

Once you get the rear sight to fit and work properly, take it out to the range and fire a few shots to see how it shoots.  Then you’ll know more about whether the front sight is correct, or not, and whether any further modifications are needed.

  

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