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Hi,
I just found a great looking 1961 Winchester 30-30 carbine in excellent appearing condition. The only problem is that the Loading Gate sticks on occasion when being pushed in. It feels like it is rubbing on something. This does not happen each time and if you push with a bit of force it breaks free and is fine. If I cycle the action and try again (unloaded of course), sometimes it is fine, sometimes it sticks. Is this common?
Thanks
Carter
I think I may have figured it out. Only when you cycle the action slowly, full cycle does the loading gate stick afterward. While inspecting the interior of the carbine with a good light, you can see the loading gate gets stuck on the carrier (lifter) which only seems to go down to the lower position 99% of the distance required. If you open the bolt a little bit and push down on the top of the carrier (lifter) with a finger, it will move downward the extra 1% and all is fine with the loading gate movement.
I spent an hour or so using a wood toothpick to clean out what looks like old packing grease from the area where the back of the carrier (lifter) meets by the locking bolt and the loading gate works much better. Now I need to figure out how to get the rest of this old grease out without disassembly.
Carter
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Carter, Whiff a little G-96 or LPS 2 and use a small brush or compressed air to clean internal workings. If you take a screwdriver to it you risk boogered screws or scratches. If it’s nice you do not want to change that. T/R
TR said
Carter, Whiff a little G-96 or LPS 2 and use a small brush or compressed air to clean internal workings. If you take a screwdriver to it you risk boogered screws or scratches. If it’s nice you do not want to change that. T/R
Gun Scrubber works for me.
Shoot low boys. They're riding Shetland Ponies.
Well, this one is a mystery. After a thorough cleaning, the Loading Gate still gets blocked by the Carrier after the action is cycled in a normal manner, so back it went to the shop. The gunsmith spent half a day yesterday trying to figure the issue out and is also perplexed. All of the internal pieces of the action seem to be in great shape. Is it possible that an old milling machines produced a Carrier that was just enough out of spec. that it requires finger pressure to fully seat after normal cycling?
Thanks
Carter
Thats were a box of parts or another gun to borrow them out of until you find out the fix comes in handy.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Hi. Check that the carrier spring is holding the carrier in the full down position. The purpose of the spring is to hold carrier fully up or fully down once the lever has moved it into position. A weak spring can cause your problem. The carrier should snap in to position both up and down. Eric
Thanks folks, I will forward to gunsmith. Hopefully we will have an answer soon. I will update.
Carter
Eric Ryan said
Hi. Check that the carrier spring is holding the carrier in the full down position. The purpose of the spring is to hold carrier fully up or fully down once the lever has moved it into position. A weak spring can cause your problem. The carrier should snap in to position both up and down. Eric
Eric’s diagnosis is spot on, I’ve encountered this problem a few times in the past and a “new” spring has cured the problem.
Erin
Well, this one is still a mystery. Got it back from shop today. The smith put a new carrier spring in and it still did the same thing. The smith also smoothed out the bottom of the loading gate just a bit and removed a few “burrs” from the internals. It cycles much smoother now and feeds live ammo and snap caps correctly. The smith took it to the shop range and fired 7 rounds. No issues in loading, feeding, ejecting.
The carrier seems to only have the issue of only returning 99.9% of the way to the lower position after a complete cycling of the action in a non-assertive manner after ejecting the last cartridge case from the chamber, or if, when unloaded, you cycle the action in a non assertive manner.
It is interesting to note that when you observe the carrier while slowly cycling the action open (unloaded), that the carrier correctly snaps upward. When slowly cycling the action closed, the carrier lowers on it’s own to the 99.9% down position but does not snap downward. My post 64 Model 94’s carrier snaps both upward and downward. I guess I will need to find a smith that is a Model 94 guru to figure this one out. I guess that it is possible that the new carrier was also defective, but the odds are against it.
Carter
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