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Finally found a 1st model 1873 set trigger hammer and main spring, but the hammer fly was broken. Does anyone here have one they would sell? I can’t find ANY anywhere…. Ugh…..
Jim
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TR said
You have to make them. Is it hammer center fly or side? T/R
Center.
Jim
Jim,
Those are real easy to make, they are just a flat piece of steel.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
The correct term for the fly is “sear over-ride” center type. Is the pin in the hammer or is it missing? Are the hammer notches original and the sear original? If not you are going to need help! The set trigger has no wiggle room, every part has to be to original spec or nothing works. You have to compare your part to a new part and make it match by welding and machining, then assemble properly and tweak. You have to have original parts to use as a pattern! T/R
1873man said
Jim,Those are real easy to make, they are just a flat piece of steel.
Bob
Where can a guy get a pattern? Template?
Jim
TR said
The correct term for the fly is “sear over-ride” center type. Is the pin in the hammer or is it missing? Are the hammer notches original and the sear original? If not you are going to need help! The set trigger has no wiggle room, every part has to be to original spec or nothing works. You have to compare your part to a new part and make it match by welding and machining, then assemble properly and tweak. You have to have original parts to use as a pattern! T/R
All the parts are original, just need a pattern, template for the sear over ride. Thanks.
Jim
Also, what was the title of the book and author that had all the dimensions to all the parts of this rifle? Had it down to .001.
Jim
The book is “The Winchester 1873 Handbook” by George Stone. The book only has drawings and dimensions for the side sear over-ride. I can’t help you with a pattern, all my guns are in one piece. I think a better question is, who can I send the assembly to for repair. T/R
TR said
The book is “The Winchester 1873 Handbook” by George Stone. The book only has drawings and dimensions for the side sear over-ride. I can’t help you with a pattern, all my guns are in one piece. I think a better question is, who can I send the assembly to for repair. T/R
That would be my luck, fall in a bucket of nipples and come out sucking my thumb….. Thanks for the info.
Jim
TR said
The book is “The Winchester 1873 Handbook” by George Stone. The book only has drawings and dimensions for the side sear over-ride. I can’t help you with a pattern, all my guns are in one piece. I think a better question is, who can I send the assembly to for repair. T/R
On the subject of this book I need to thank Tom for his help obtaining a copy of this book.
Thanks Tom.
Here are some measurements of the fly. In one picture I set the fly on top of the hammer on the pin so you can see the radius is there so it clears the hammer screw. Then 2 pictures showing the fly in the two positions.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
Here are some measurements of the fly. In one picture I set the fly on top of the hammer on the pin so you can see the radius is there so it clears the hammer screw. Then 2 pictures showing the fly in the two positions.Bob
You da man once again! Thankyou.
Jim
Jim,
The easiest way to make them is to have a fly for a pattern. You drill a hole in a piece of metal and drop the original over the hole with a pin through the hole. Then scribe around the original so all you have to do is cut it out and file it to the line. Of =course that is if you have one to copy. What is left of your fly?
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
Jim,The easiest way to make them is to have a fly for a pattern. You drill a hole in a piece of metal and drop the original over the hole with a pin through the hole. Then scribe around the original so all you have to do is cut it out and file it to the line. Of =course that is if you have one to copy. What is left of your fly?
Bob
Most of it except the small portion that was behind the pin where it broke off. I think I can go off of your diagram for what’s missing. You got it in infinite detail so that should cover what isn’t there. Now to find some 30 thousandths spring steel stock.
Jim
Jim,
This is not made from spring steel. You can used plain steel and it will work for occasional use but if you want to do lots of shooting then you want to harden it. If you are going to shoot it a lot, the set trigger will break. It was the most common failure on the early guns. You can buy .030″ mild steel from McMaster-Carr or other suppliers.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
Jim,This is not made from spring steel. You can used plain steel and it will work for occasional use but if you want to do lots of shooting then you want to harden it. If you are going to shoot it a lot, the set trigger will break. It was the most common failure on the early guns. You can buy .030″ mild steel from McMaster-Carr or other suppliers.
Bob
AWESOME. Thankyou once again.
Jim
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