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Model 94 25-35 Action Locks up when fired
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Ken Windeler said

You’ve been telling me throughout this thread how I need to bump the shoulder back on my rounds. I’ve tried several times to inform you that the problem exists with, and I repeat my self one more time, FACTORY AMMO. Which is 0.30 short of max headspace, I even provided a picture for you.

First off I used the reamer as a gauge and did not ream the chamber until I got the Go and No-Go gauges.

Why would I need a case comparator when the L. E. Wilson gauge does exactly the same thing and is probably more accurate. Certainly more so than a comparator with an incompatible shoulder angle.

Grinding on dies no, good grief.

No over expansion and there never was a stuck case issue, I could not unlock the action at all. The locking bolt on a Model 94, well any lever gun, has to move downward before the breech bolt can retract. It was jammed up solid.

I’m done here.

I told myself I would not respond to this post again but I just couldn’t help myself.

I was trying to get you to measure your fired brass to be able to see what was happening in your chamber.  After that I was responding to your comments.  SAMMI specs shows the headspace to be .063″ to .070″.  I doubt factory ammo is .3″ shorter than the max headspace.  The only picture you supplied is a cartridge in a Wilson gauge was in Post #27.  In Post #8 you stated that it could be an extractor groove problem and say you have never worked on this type of gun before.  Post #12 you now think it is a chamber issue.  Post #17 now you think it is a headspace issue.  Post #19 you claim factory ammo is undersized. Post #25 you contemplate doing a chamber cast.  Post #28 you bought a finish reamer and now back to a possible head space issue.  You stated you didn’t know if the chamber was short and you did not have a chamber gauge so you reamed the chamber anyway.  Post #32 you talk about the headspace being the distance from the shoulder to the rim.  The headspace on a rimmed cartridge is controlled by the thickness of the rim.  I’m not a gunsmith but I believe the measurement is the space between the rim and the bolt face??  Post #35 you bought a no go gauge. Then you cut something?  Post #37 you somehow increased the head space?  Grinding some material off the bottom of a die does no harm it just allows it to go down farther.  Unlike reaming a chamber.   I really don’t think you fixed this gun. You should not work on guns until you take a formal training class.  I am way too done.

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Chuck said

Ken Windeler said

You’ve been telling me throughout this thread how I need to bump the shoulder back on my rounds. I’ve tried several times to inform you that the problem exists with, and I repeat my self one more time, FACTORY AMMO. Which is 0.30 short of max headspace, I even provided a picture for you.

First off I used the reamer as a gauge and did not ream the chamber until I got the Go and No-Go gauges.

Why would I need a case comparator when the L. E. Wilson gauge does exactly the same thing and is probably more accurate. Certainly more so than a comparator with an incompatible shoulder angle.

Grinding on dies no, good grief.

No over expansion and there never was a stuck case issue, I could not unlock the action at all. The locking bolt on a Model 94, well any lever gun, has to move downward before the breech bolt can retract. It was jammed up solid.

I’m done here.

I told myself I would not respond to this post again but I just couldn’t help myself.

I was trying to get you to measure your fired brass to be able to see what was happening in your chamber.  After that I was responding to your comments.  SAMMI specs shows the headspace to be .063″ to .070″.  I doubt factory ammo is .3″ shorter than the max headspace.  The only picture you supplied is a cartridge in a Wilson gauge was in Post #27.  In Post #8 you stated that it could be an extractor groove problem and say you have never worked on this type of gun before.  Post #12 you now think it is a chamber issue.  Post #17 now you think it is a headspace issue.  Post #19 you claim factory ammo is undersized. Post #25 you contemplate doing a chamber cast.  Post #28 you bought a finish reamer and now back to a possible head space issue.  You stated you didn’t know if the chamber was short and you did not have a chamber gauge so you reamed the chamber anyway.  Post #32 you talk about the headspace being the distance from the shoulder to the rim.  The headspace on a rimmed cartridge is controlled by the thickness of the rim.  I’m not a gunsmith but I believe the measurement is the space between the rim and the bolt face??  Post #35 you bought a no go gauge. Then you cut something?  Post #37 you somehow increased the head space?  Grinding some material off the bottom of a die does no harm it just allows it to go down farther.  Unlike reaming a chamber.   I really don’t think you fixed this gun. You should not work on guns until you take a formal training class.  I am way too done.

  

You got me here supposed to be 0.035 shorter than minimum shoulder headspace / case length

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