Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
mod 1901 buttplate original finish
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
North Texas
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 368
Member Since:
April 30, 2023
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
October 4, 2023 - 12:21 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hello all, was the buttplate on my mod. 1901 shotgun blued from the factory? I’m assuming it was but mine is pretty rusty and it’s hard to tell (she’s no creampuff but still in nice enough shape…I think someone cut a couple inches of the barrel at some point but did a nice job and resoldered a brass bead….)

I was thinking of boiling/carding the part to convert rust and bring back some protection but wanted to make sure the original was blued….thx!

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 11071
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
October 4, 2023 - 2:15 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

If it has the same checkered steel butt plate as shown in the attached picture, then Yes, it was originally blued.  Most of the Model 1901 shotguns had a black hard rubber butt plate.

Butt-plate-M64-2186021.jpgImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
North Texas
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 368
Member Since:
April 30, 2023
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
October 4, 2023 - 12:32 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Bert H. said
If it has the same checkered steel butt plate as shown in the attached picture, then Yes, it was originally blued.  Most of the Model 1901 shotguns had a black hard rubber butt plate.

Butt-plate-M64-2186021.jpgImage Enlarger

  

Hi Bert! Yes, that is the one it has, steel. Made in 1902…waiting until I join the Cody museum and do a search because I’m holding out that someone ordered it as a 28″ barrel but I know the odds are stacked Laugh  thanks, I will convert the rust on this piece.

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 11071
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
October 4, 2023 - 3:44 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

That fat that it is an early production Model 1901 increases the likelihood that the steel butt plate is original.  I have not studied the Model 1901 enough to know when the steel butt plate was replaced by the hard rubber plate.

Per the Winchester catalogs, a 32-inch barrel was standard, and all other (shorter) lengths were special order.  Hopefully your shotgun does letter with the 28-inch barrel.  What is the choke constriction?  Where (precisely) is the bead sight located in relationship to the muzzle face?

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
North Texas
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 368
Member Since:
April 30, 2023
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
October 5, 2023 - 6:10 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Bert H. said
That fat that it is an early production Model 1901 increases the likelihood that the steel butt plate is original.  I have not studied the Model 1901 enough to know when the steel butt plate was replaced by the hard rubber plate.

Per the Winchester catalogs, a 32-inch barrel was standard, and all other (shorter) lengths were special order.  Hopefully your shotgun does letter with the 28-inch barrel.  What is the choke constriction?  Where (precisely) is the bead sight located in relationship to the muzzle face?

Bert

  

My safe has been inaccessible due to house painters being there and having everything all masked up but I should be able to get in by end of weekend and I will get the measurements of the bead and what choke style. I want to say the choke was marked “OPEN” but don’t quote me on that yet. The buttplate and the wood underneath both have a similar-script “1” marked into them. I’ll get some pics too, why not? Cool 

On a side note, it’s missing the rear forend screw and replacements for a 1887 are available online….looks like a lot of parts interchange on these….you know off the top of your head if the rear forend screw interchanges?

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 11071
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
October 5, 2023 - 6:45 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I would expect the forend slat screws were identical for the Model 187 and 1901.

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
North Texas
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 368
Member Since:
April 30, 2023
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
October 6, 2023 - 12:31 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

Well, bad memory on the choke..it’s a “FULL” and the brass bead is almost exactly 9/16″ from the muzzle face. The lower tang also has a “1” marked into the side, like the buttplate and stock. The upper tang is marked “WINCHESTER” only, which doesn’t conform to the Madis book description of the different upper tang markings…

I went ahead and included some pics because, well, why not? 🙂

Appreciate all the conversation!

 

JP

 

20231005_184110.jpgImage Enlarger20231005_184120.jpgImage Enlarger20231005_184238.jpgImage Enlarger20231005_184211-1.jpgImage Enlarger20231005_184146-1.jpgImage Enlarger20231005_184333.jpgImage Enlarger20231005_184222.jpgImage Enlarger

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 11071
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
October 6, 2023 - 1:33 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

The front bead sight should be precisely .50″ inch from its center to the muzzle face.  The 28-inch barrel length is concerning.

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4729
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
October 6, 2023 - 5:08 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Since the tang, stock and buttplate all have the 1 stamped into them I believe the buttplate is original to the gun.  I don’t like the gouge on the barrel just in front of the receiver?  Maybe someone tried to remove the barrel? 

Avatar
North Texas
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 368
Member Since:
April 30, 2023
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
October 6, 2023 - 9:36 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Chuck said
Since the tang, stock and buttplate all have the 1 stamped into them I believe the buttplate is original to the gun.  I don’t like the gouge on the barrel just in front of the receiver?  Maybe someone tried to remove the barrel? 

  

I agree with all the above…my guess is that exactly, there’s some boogering on the other side too and I bet that’s what happened.

And yes, Bert, I imagine it was cut down at some point….at least they did it clean and did a good job with the bead…clean I mean.

Avatar
North Texas
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 368
Member Since:
April 30, 2023
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
October 7, 2023 - 2:15 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Chuck said
 I don’t like the gouge on the barrel just in front of the receiver?  

  

I don’t plan on shooting this ever but want to preserve what’s left. Should I repair that or just leave it…..tending towards leaving it.

 

I have it completely disassembled right now so I can rust convert and oil it. 

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4729
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12
October 7, 2023 - 9:29 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I would leave it alone.  Any attempts to repair it will always be visible.

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6623
TXGunNut: 5263
Chuck: 4729
steve004: 4391
1873man: 4357
Big Larry: 2380
twobit: 2326
mrcvs: 1801
TR: 1738
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 13019
Posts: 113798

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1819
Members: 8995
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation