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How to Ruin Your Gun in 8 Easy Steps
April 29, 2021
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czp02270tr@yahoo.com said
Wait, what, you have to clean your guns breech to muzzle? I've always done it the other way around... I'm using carbon fiber rods and I hope I haven't damaged my guns too much!  

Bolt actions, too?

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czp02270tr@yahoo.com said
Wait, what, you have to clean your guns breech to muzzle? I've always done it the other way around... I'm using carbon fiber rods and I hope I haven't damaged my guns too much!  

Yes, breech to muzzle when you can.  But if you have to go the other way protect the end of the rifling and if a lever gun turn it upside down so all the gunk falls out of the receiver not into it.

Fanatics don't believe moving anything toward the breach ever.  No back and forth.  If you must use a brass brush push it through and then take it off to remove the rod.  Never run a dry brush.  Shooters that have a precision barrel spend a lot of time making sure that every thing is polished and every bit of roughness that is left is laying breech to muzzle.

Carbon fiber or coated rods are best.  It is the steel rods, jags and bronze brushes that you have to be most careful.  Pull through snakes work but often don't get the barrel as clean as you'd wish.  There are snakes that will pull a jag or brush.

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Chuck said

Fanatics don't believe moving anything toward the breach ever.  No back and forth.  If you must use a brass brush push it through and then take it off to remove the rod. 

Fanatics is right.

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clarence said

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Fanatics don't believe moving anything toward the breach ever.  No back and forth.  If you must use a brass brush push it through and then take it off to remove the rod. 

Fanatics is right.  

Yep, just talk to competitive bench rest and long range precision shooters.  The list of things they do just keeps going on and on.

April 30, 2021
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Chuck said

Yep, just talk to competitive bench rest and long range precision shooters.  The list of things they do just keeps going on and on.  

And then after a few thousand rounds when accuracy drops off the least little bit they screw off the old barrel, screw on a new one, and start all over again. Some of the things bench rest shooters do sound pretty silly but I feel sure some of them work.

 

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Pretty sure all the lever actions we treasure were cleaned from the muzzle back in the day before people worried about such things. Certainly better than having a gun with a dark bore, pitting and no rifling.

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Pretty sure all the lever actions we treasure were cleaned from the muzzle back in the day before people worried about such things. Certainly better than having a gun with a dark bore, pitting and no rifling.  

 Well said, As a caretaker of old Winchester's I try not to down grade my guns but in most cases someone has already done that. But when it comes to my model 70s I expect them to shoot better than I can aim. I will take them deer hunting and risk some downgrade just to mix two of my hobbies. I appreciate any tips to prolong their usefulness.

 I shoot my black powder guns enough to prove some level of accuracy but not enough to change their condition. If the bore matches the condition of the outside of the gun it's ok. Stopping and preventing corrosion is my biggest concern. I want the next owner to get the gun in the same condition I did. T/R

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Chuck said

Yep, just talk to competitive bench rest and long range precision shooters.  The list of things they do just keeps going on and on.  

Understandably, When you have rifles that are shooting .250" or better groups at 100 yards vs. Rifles that you are very pleased to shoot 2.5" at 100 yards.

I'm not a BR shooter but I do take a bronze brush off the rod on my Varmint and target rifles to protect the edge of the crown when cleaning. 

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And then after a few thousand rounds when accuracy drops off the least little bit they screw off the old barrel, screw on a new one, and start all over again. Some of the things bench rest shooters do sound pretty silly but I feel sure some of them work.

 

Mike  

I got about 2000 rounds through my 6.5 CM barrel when my sub .5" groups started growing.  Now I'm lucky to get a 1" group.  Still good for a deer hunt.  Barrels and other parts are as plentiful as primers right now.  I have been trying some flat based bullets to see if these will stabilize.  Without the boat tail you have more surface area to grip the rifling.  A 308 is good for about 5000 rounds.  Some of the hottest rounds will wear out a barrel in less than a 1000.  Some around 600.  The average shooter will never wear out a barrel unless they do something stupid.   That's why the closet/safe queens have such good rifling.

TR, I wonder how many black powder guns had hot water poured down the barrels?

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A lot of good info. here guys, I've enjoyed it!

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Chuck said

TR, I wonder how many black powder guns had hot water poured down the barrels?  

Every one that had an intelligent owner.  For all its nastiness, BP has one redeeming property--it's easily & completely cleaned with hot & preferably soapy water.  The idea, repeated many times in the BP period, was to get the barrel hot enough that it dried almost instantly, then oiled while still warm.  Of course there are situations when hot water is not available, but even cold water will remove most of the salt from corrosive primers.

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Guys at the range don't have scalding hot water but do carry spray bottles with water and a little windex.   I once asked a BP shooter why he blew into the barrel after each shot.  I thought he was clearing the barrel of something.  He told me the moisture in his breath kept the crud soft so he could get more shots between cleanings. 

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  I once asked a BP shooter why he blew into the barrel after each shot.  I thought he was clearing the barrel of something.  He told me the moisture in his breath kept the crud soft so he could get more shots between cleanings.   

A practice as old as BP competition with breech-loaders; that is, before smokeless became available, because a few grains of smokeless next to the primer burns up most of the crud.  Not allowed in BP competition today, but common in Schuetzen matches before WWI. 

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A practice as old as BP competition with breech-loaders; that is, before smokeless became available, because a few grains of smokeless next to the primer burns up most of the crud.  Not allowed in BP competition today, but common in Schuetzen matches before WWI.   

Some folks buy blow tubes made from a cartridge case, a brass nipple and surgical tubing. Serious BPCR guys use brass tubing. I made my own but promptly crushed it after a range trip. Repair took longer than making it but it’s got lots of character!

 

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