April 30, 2023
OfflineAs a fun side note, someone online figured out that a certain Whirlpool appliance rubber foot had a perfect diameter to replace the 1911SL fibrous washers, with a little easy fitting of course. I bought quite a few to hold onto for future use…I think I have the video saved somewhere if ever needed….pretty neat and creative solution.
January 20, 2023
OfflineDarrin Smith said
Are the buffers the same in all of the models 1905, ’07 & ’10?
Darrin, I don’t know but my friend and fellow member Steve Gabrielli probably does. Send him a PM.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
January 20, 2023
OfflineMy paternal grandfather had a 1911. He died the year before I was born so I never got to know him but Dad said he was a duck hunter. Unsurprising, since Grandpa worked most of his life along the Mississippi River and attendant swamps.
At least according to Dad, one reason for the gun’s reputation was it could be pretty stiff to cock and chamber the first shell. Shorter or short-armed men sometimes put the butt on the ground, put both hands — and sometimes their upper body — over the barrel to push it out of battery. If they lost their grip after the bolt reached the end of its opening stroke, the bolt could slam the shell home and a worn sear could jar off from the impact. Look, Ma — no hands! And sometimes no head.
I lost a friend back in the Eighties on the opening day of dove season. He crossed a fence holding his shotgun and took a load of shot full in the chest when the gun jarred off.
For all the fuss and bother about handgun firing pin blocks, the only shotguns I know of that are drop safe are very expensive sidelock doubles.with intercepting sears.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
January 20, 2023
OfflineIn looking over this thread, I see I left the issue hanging about why my 07 wouldn’t fire at the range. Everybody who participated knows what happened via messaging and emails but, for the sake of posterity, the problem was a sticky internal safety lever. When carrying to the range, I broke the 07 down and stowed it in a Boyt takedown case. It hadn’t been taken down very much over its life and the fit is very stiff and the edges of the parts sharp and unworn. Apparently, it is possible to reassemble the two halves, cinch down the takedown screw and not have the internal lever retract because the two halves are not quite aligned. Three of us looked the gun over when it failed to fire and saw nothing untoward.
In any event, I brushed a lot of Kroil into and around the little lever assembly, dried everything off, sprayed all the moving surfaces with BreakFree CLP and let it set overnight. I reassembled the gun and function checked it with the 10 dummy rounds I’d made up, pulling the trigger on each chambered round to hear it strike the dead primer. I carried it to the range assembled.
At the range, it fired everything I fed it. I really didn’t keep track of where the slugs landed because I was more interested in where the brass was landing. I finally figured out the ejection port needed to be centered in and up against the open end of the brass catcher net, to trap the flying cases, which are ejected at high velocity in random directions from the port. But the gun itself never failed to fire, eject and reload smoothly.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
April 15, 2005
OfflineZebulon said
At the range, it fired everything I fed it. I really didn’t keep track of where the slugs landed because I was more interested in where the brass was landing. I finally figured out the ejection port needed to be centered in and up against the open end of the brass catcher net, to trap the flying cases, which are ejected at high velocity in random directions from the port. But the gun itself never failed to fire, eject and reload smoothly.
It seems that all of the Winchester S.L.R. center fire rifles suffer that very same malady.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

January 20, 2023
OfflineConfirmed.
I will say my late “police rifle” style 1907 was very comfortable to shoot compared to a much older one I once owned. I suspect that gun had a worn out buffer. Although I think it would still be a handful if modified to full auto, the late Saul Lebman’s conversions were probably not as impractical as I once believed. Because shooting at moving vehicles was a popular Prohibition Era sport, I think the ballistics of the .351 just might have provided that extra edge.
To me, the design of the 1907 (and I presume the 1905 and 1910, as well) action shows off the remarkable talent of T. C. Johnson in evading the network of interlocking patents awarded to JMB to protect the Browning long recoil action.
What is not often mentioned about Johnson is his sense of esthetics, which he apparently passed on to the junior members of the Gun Design Department. Until 1964, almost all of the really new and particularly the top line, guns created by the department on his watch or as a result of his tutelage, were remarkably sleek and pleasing to the eye. The Model 54 and subsequent 70, the 52 Sporting and 75 Sporting, the Models 12, 50 and 59 shotguns, and the 88 and 100 rifles — even the Model 37 shotgun was a standout among its competitors. The exception, for some reason, was the Model 61 hammerless. Although it’s my next favorite rimfire repeater, it is a little awkward-looking compared to Pedersen’s Remington Model 12 and 121.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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However, I see that you are missing a Model 1911 to round out the complete T.C. Johnson S.L. collection.