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July 4, 2022 - 2:38 pm
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I’m trying to rebuild an old 1892. The s/n is (IMHO) not original, but would date the gun to 1895 and it would be a 38-40. The barrel that came with the gun, which was in parts, is a 44-40.

While trying to reassemble the receiver the old bolt was very loose. I had bought a newer large caliber bolt and it fit fine until it hit the left cartridge guide. Upon closer comparison, the old bolt was seriously buggered.

Now I have to rearrange my plans and recover the actual s/n of the gun in order to really know what I’m working with.

My questions are:

1. Can you visually tell the difference between the Small and Large caliber parts? Like the bolt, cartridge guides, and carrier?

2. Is the receiver the same dimensions for both applications?

 

Here’s a pic of the 2 bolts. The old one can be used as a fishing weight now.

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It would seem to me that the bolts would have two different breech face recesses, one for the larger 38-40 and 44-40, and one for the smaller 25-20 and 32-20.

None of our 1892 Winchester’s are original, two newer models one a .45 the other a 44-40. But we do have a Browning B92 44 Mag as well as a Model 53 in 32-20. 

I’d have to get them out to take a look, but I’d reckon the cartridge guides would be visually different as well as the carrier.

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That’s what I would have thought too.

 

If you notice, the bolt on the right has had the front ejector support cut off. It’s a fishing weight now.

 

When I put the new bolt in, it hangs up on the left cartridge guide. Take out the guide and it fits very well. I’m trying to find actual receiver dimensions so I can make sure that someone didn’t deform the receiver while removing the barrel.

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There are large caliber bolts and small caliber bolts. As far as the small parts you need to talk with the people that sell these parts.  Like Homestead, Winchester Bob or Jack First.

Maybe twobit knows?

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I guess I’ll resort to taking apart my 38-40 and comparing what I have to what’s in that one. I was hoping to not having to do that.

 

When I first tested that old bolt with a 44-40 round, I didn’t realize that it had been cut off. I’ll be curious about that left cartridge guide. I have noticed a difference in the carriers from parts dealers.

 

I’ll now play forensics detective and try to verify/recover the original s/n. Already checked with the ATF and since it’s currently considered an Antique, there’s no legal issues with sanding down the one that’s there now.

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Here are a few pics that might help.

11-5-2009-222.JPGImage Enlarger If your receiver has two grooves milled into the left side, like in the example at the bottom, it is a large caliber receiver. note the spring on the side of the large caliber carrier (below) moves between each of those grooves in the receiver when cycled. 

 

Carriers  & cartridge guides (small caliber top, large caliber bottom)  Second photo, large caliber carrier left, small caliber on right)

 

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Bolts & ejectors

 

26514541-019.JPGImage Enlarger26514541-014.JPGImage EnlargerLarge caliber left & top, small caliber right and bottom

 

Levers

 

26514541-007.JPGImage EnlargerLarge caliber bottom, small caliber top (note the spur length and shape variance).

 

26514541-003.JPGImage EnlargerLarge caliber left, small caliber right.

 

Its doubtful the receiver is distorted as a result of removing a barrel, photos of your receiver and parts would be helpful in determining what youve got.  The dimensions you were looking for on the receiver in the other post arent going to be very helpful as Tim mentioned in the other post.  Would look for any type of deflection in the receiver sidewalls or check the bolt opening spacing against another rifle, dont know that the caliber size would make a difference — Bolts appear to be made the same with the exception of the milling for the ejector. 

 

Sorry the photos and headings dont line up or are spaced correctly, for some reason the program is not displaying what is shown in my preview. 

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Thanks Takedown,

This is a huge help.

The left guide I have is definitely for the large caliber. I’ll have to take a closer look on how it fits (maybe w/o the spring installed). The bolt contacts the guide when inserting it.

The carrier is correct too, so I’ll have to check on those groves inside the receiver.

The original bolt is wasted, so I’ll just have to make sure the new one is for the large caliber.

Thanks again.

Corey

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Hi Cory  It looks like you have all parts to complete your 92 Action.  Any lever will work in a 44 or 38 action, not so in 32 or 25 because the lever will bind. I would  remove the left cartridge guide and see if is seating fully.  Someone may have put a thicker stop spring under it.  I make stop springs out of thin piano wire,   they never break.   The guide has to seat fully.     GO for it,  Eric

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Thanks for the advice,

 

The bolt is being test fitted by hand. Only the carrier and cartridge guides are installed and the bolt hits the left cartridge guide. I’m sure I have the right parts so far as the caliber set. I’m going to try and install the left guide w/o the spring and see if that helps any. Maybe the guide isn’t fully seated in its groove? I do have another spring as well that I will try too.

I do have 2 Rossi 92s, but this is my first venture with a Win 92. Very similar guns, but I’m not up on the nuances of the differences between them other than the quality.

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