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1890 .22 short - chambering issue (advice please)
July 16, 2021
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hello everyone

 

im sorry if this is something addressed in another thread on here but i looked and couldnt find it

 

I have an 1890 .22 short (SN# 593xxx) i believe 1917 manuf – probably could be corrected what version it is

 

anyhow the issue i have is that if i load one round in the tube, it will chamber – but any more than 1 round and the carrier wont lift when i slide the action to chamber it.  – im thinking its the cart. stop or the lip on the carrier itself – but before i start buying parts i may not need – does anyone have any advice?  

 

Mag spring seems good and the follower is in tact.

 

thanks in advance

 

Brian 

July 16, 2021
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Brian,

First, I moved your question to the appropriate Forum “Restoration, Repair & Maintenance”.  Second, we ask that complete S/Ns be posted when asking questions.  The S/N on your Winchester is not like your SSN, or Drivers License number… it simply tells us when it was manufactured, and if old enough to be lettered, what it’s as manufactured configuration was.

Model 1890 S/N 593999 was manufactured in December, 1915.

Without the ability to visually see your rifle and inspect it in hand, the best anyone of us can do is “guess” what might be wrong with it. 

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Hello Bert,

 

my apologies and thanks for moving it – 

 

The SN is 593132 A – here are some photos that i hope can help

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gqm3mpfm4lbgks/carrier%201.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uizg5pg2pn3ywn5/carrier%202.jpg?dl=0

 

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July 16, 2021
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I can tell by looking at the cartridge lifter it has either been changed or lengthened to accept 22 Long rifle shells. What is happening with shorts is when you try and load more than one round is a second shell is partially loading in the lifter and not allowing it to “lift” because the second shell is partially fed into the carrier. I would make an educated guess and say someone has recut the the chamber to Long Rifle and modified the lifter for long rifle shells. Try some long rifles in it and I would bet it cycles just fine. On another note the 1-20 twist rate in the factory short barrels is not conducive for accuracy with 40 grain bullets. If you can find some of the 30-34 grain Long rifle ammo it may shoot better than standard 40 grain ammo.

 

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Brian,

No problem.  The DOM on your Model 1890 is mid December 1915.

In regards to the cartridge feeding issue, we have several members who are much more knowledgeable than I am in regards to the Model 1890.  Hopefully one of them can determine if something does not look right and offer you some advice.

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Erin Grivicich said
I can tell by looking at the cartridge lifter it has either been changed or lengthened to accept 22 Long rifle shells. What is happening with shorts is when you try and load more than one round is a second shell is partially loading in the lifter and not allowing it to “lift” because the second shell is partially fed into the carrier. I would make an educated guess and say someone has recut the the chamber to Long Rifle and modified the lifter for long rifle shells. Try some long rifles in it and I would bet it cycles just fine. On another note the 1-20 twist rate in the factory short barrels is not conducive for accuracy with 40 grain bullets. If you can find some of the 30-34 grain Long rifle ammo it may shoot better than standard 40 grain ammo.

 

Erin  

wow Erin great insight i really appreciate it – i will definitely try it with LR’s (if could cycle colibri’s id be delighted as its only a occasional plinker for me at this point)  

you definitely made my day with this possibility.

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Bert H. said
Brian,

No problem.  The DOM on your Model 1890 is mid December 1915.

In regards to the cartridge feeding issue, we have several members who are much more knowledgeable than I am in regards to the Model 1890.  Hopefully one of them can determine if something does not look right and offer you some advice.

Bert  

thank you so much Bert (for the info and the help)

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theirishweaver@msn.com said

wow Erin great insight i really appreciate it – i will definitely try it with LR’s (if could cycle colibri’s id be delighted as its only a occasional plinker for me at this point)  

you definitely made my day with this possibility.  

Be careful with the Colibri’s………. They are designed for handguns (read short barrels)  They have been known to lodge in the barrels of long barreled rifles due to the extremely low velocity.  Make sure it clears the barrel before stacking another bullet behind a lodged one. I don’t believe they have adequate power to bulge or split a barrel but it makes the removal of a stuck slug much more difficult.  My experience with Colibri’s is dismal accuracy……..  I’ve designated the rest of my supply of Colibri’s as dog training rounds fired from a single six revolver.Frown

 

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I don’t own a short right now but I do know some of the chambers either shorts or longs often chamber long rifles when loaded one at a time by hand.  For some reason these guns often have long chambers.  If you wish to put it back to original you can get a carrier at Homestead.  Ammo is harder to find though.

https://homesteadparts.com/shop/winchester-1890-c-1_8.html

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SUPE

Erin Grivicich said

theirishweaver@msn.com said

wow Erin great insight i really appreciate it – i will definitely try it with LR’s (if could cycle colibri’s id be delighted as its only a occasional plinker for me at this point)  

you definitely made my day with this possibility.  

Be careful with the Colibri’s………. They are designed for handguns (read short barrels)  They have been known to lodge in the barrels of long barreled rifles due to the extremely low velocity.  Make sure it clears the barrel before stacking another bullet behind a lodged one. I don’t believe they have adequate power to bulge or split a barrel but it makes the removal of a stuck slug much more difficult.  My experience with Colibri’s is dismal accuracy……..  I’ve designated the rest of my supply of Colibri’s as dog training rounds fired from a single six revolver.Frown

 

Erin  

SUPER colibris i meant – they are higher power than the regular and ive had great (and fun) results with them in my Stevens Favorites etc.  The cci quiets too are great….i will heed your warning though for sure.  Im not really expecting much in the way of accuracy out of the Colibris they are just fun for short range in the yard at spinners 

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I don’t own a short right now but I do know some of the chambers either shorts or longs often chamber long rifles when loaded one at a time by hand.  For some reason these guns often have long chambers.  If you wish to put it back to original you can get a carrier at Homestead.  Ammo is harder to find though.

https://homesteadparts.com/shop/winchester-1890-c-1_8.html  

thanks for the link – id rather it in 22 SHORT as its originally chambered in that (and i have a crap ton of .22 short ammo / CB shorts) 

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SO i just tried what Erin above suggested – used .22lrs and it cycled flawlessly – clearly Erin was deal on accurate – thank you so much i would have never thought of that

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Glad it worked out, Happy plinking!

 

Erin

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