Hello,
The stylized WINCHESTER logo was first used on the Model 92 barrels on rifles serialized during late 1925. It appears on the upper tang during the start of 1928 when the “MODEL 92” designation was dropped from the tang stamp.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
You have to be careful out there! Several months ago I noted a Winchester Model 1892 carbine for sale at the Forks of the Delaware show in Allentown, Pennsylvania and it looked good, not put together, in .44-40, at a reasonable price. I think the collector believes it to be all original, and probably purchased as such. Being in the market for one of these, I might have been inclined to start reaching for my wallet–except for the fact that the serial number dates this carbine to 1917 and yet it has the stylized Winchester on the barrel.
Caveat emptor!
mrcvs said
Being in the market for one of these, I might have been inclined to start reaching for my wallet–except for the fact that the serial number dates this carbine to 1917 and yet it has the stylized Winchester on the barrel.
I’m curious–what was the “reasonable” price you referred to? It’s irrational, I think, that a legitimate factory refurbishment (assuming it’s not an OF barrel) should drastically reduce its value. Most collectors claim that what attracts them to “old guns” is their history; well, here’s a gun with a fairly uncommon history: it’s barrel was ruined (very possibly by early smokeless ammo, much more corrosive than BP), and some previous owner took the trouble to preserve its good accuracy by having it rebarreled. Rather sad to think that shooter’s well-intentioned efforts are, now, considered the “kiss of death.”
The gun had condition, so the asking price, which I think was $4000, but the collector said his bottom line was $3000, was reasonable for what he believed the carbine was–all original. Had it been all original, the price was fair, or more than fair. Being a 1917 gun rebarreled with a 1925 or later barrel drastically reduced its value. I’m guessing less than a grand, and probably closer to $750, could be actual value.
mrcvs said
The gun had condition, so the asking price, which I think was $4000, but the collector said his bottom line was $3000, was reasonable for what he believed the carbine was–all original.
That’s what I meant by “irrational”: that work done by Winchester only a few years later should be considered “non-original.” I don’t dispute that’s the majority opinion among collectors, but it represents a ridiculously narrow view of “originality,” especially when it results in the value being slashed some 75%. (By the way, this wasn’t MY gun, though it would be if I could buy it for $750.)
Generally speaking, any circumstance that adds to a gun’s known history, such as ownership by some minor celebrity (even some sheriff’s deputy nobody ever heard of), being sold in some famous location or by a notable dealer, etc., adds a little something, at least, to value, or at least to “sales appeal.” Going back to the factory that made it should be no different.
clarence said
Going back to the factory that made it should be no different.
Clarence,
I don’t mean to be a jerk, but I have been around long enough to realize what things should be or what I want them to be aren’t necessarily what they are.
If I had this problematic carbine, would you willingly pay 3 or 4 k if it has a later replacement barrel? I didn’t think so.
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