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Here is a couple pictures of some of the 3-1/4″ cartridges. Each of these are in Shuey’s book.
Left to right. 38-217 gr EX, 40 260 gr EX, 40-90 370 gr SS, 40-100 330 gr Experimental, 45-300 gr EX, 50-140 300 gr. EX.
Those are impressive Chuck. I think the 38 ex is really cool. I bet that would be a very “flat” shooting cartridge. Were any of these chambered in Winchester rifles? Given the length I would have to guess only the 85 high walls.
Chuck said
Here is a couple pictures of some of the 3-1/4″ cartridges. Each of these are in Shuey’s book.
That’s truly a nice assortment you chose to put together, Chuck!
Anthony
oldcrankyyankee said
Those are impressive Chuck. I think the 38 ex is really cool. I bet that would be a very “flat” shooting cartridge. Were any of these chambered in Winchester rifles? Given the length I would have to guess only the 85 high walls.
All, except for the 40-100 Experimental, had a limited amount of highwalls manufactured for commercial sales in these calibers. The 38 EX, 40 EX, 40-90 SS, and the 45 EX cartridges can be found if you keep looking. The other 2 are much harder to find. I tried to buy a loaded 50-140 but I couldn’t get the owner to drop the price under $2,000. So mine is a board dummy. Still expensive and very seldom seen for sale.
I saw a 40-90 highwall for sale in Colorado a couple years ago but owner wanted too much for the poor condition. Years ago I really messed up. I had the chance to buy a 38 EX. It took the seller a couple of years to sell it. I should have stepped up.
I’m sure Bert has more info.
Anthony said
Chuck said
Here is a couple pictures of some of the 3-1/4″ cartridges. Each of these are in Shuey’s book.
That’s truly a nice assortment you chose to put together, Chuck!
Anthony
I was digging through some cartridges for a show and tell on primers at the gun shop. Then it struck me to take a picture of these.
oldcrankyyankee said
Those are impressive Chuck. I think the 38 ex is really cool. I bet that would be a very “flat” shooting cartridge. Were any of these chambered in Winchester rifles? Given the length I would have to guess only the 85 high walls.
The 38 Express (38-90) is listed in the Winchester catalogs with an advertised 1,546 fps.
Bert
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There can’t be many of these around, I don’t ever recall seeing them. 45-70-500 target
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Henry,
I’m not sure how many are out there, but I found these two, without digging to far, in some of the ammo stash, I like. Both are the Target, 500 gr. as you mentioned, and I think I might have a few more, in all Honesty.
The first two pics are front and back, and I didn’t bother to remove the loos cellophane, or even align the lid better, and maybe even lay down some loos frayed label material, for a better pic! As the picture shows, one is a tan or light color like yours, and the other is the typical green.
Anthony
Well, I gotta say that’s more than I thought would be out there. I guess they were fairly popular back in the day. Who is the ammo Guy here , to find out a app. value on ’em. I also got some other s I need to find a value on , eg; .32 Ideal, sealed box of .44Colt c.f., sealed box of .38r.f. long, 25-20 s.s. , etc.
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Henry,
Maverick sure comes to mind, as a member of the IAA, also very astute in these matters. Chuck also, as many other members will bring some experience to the table.
I’ve noticed the Vintage and Antique ammo market as of late, as most things have, as a buyers market seems to prevail currently. Noticeable in the gun market.
Like we all suggest, as even you do Henry. Post up you’re pictures and we can try to help you determine the current value that the market bears.
In extremely nice, and sealed Mint condition, which would be the top of the heap, no matter how old, as demonstrated in Ward’s auctions, as we’re all most familiar with, will bring the most, naturally. The boxes with color bring the most, as empty boxes on ebay are a good example of that. Rare and hard to find calibers, are always sought after, as ammo collectors are always looking to purchase, open boxes to put on their tables at shows, and on websites as single cartridge sales.
Just my two cents!
Anthony
Henry Mero said There can’t be many of these around, I don’t ever recall seeing them. 45-70-500 target
Has the box been opened, or is it still factory sealed?
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Henry Mero said
Well, I gotta say that’s more than I thought would be out there. I guess they were fairly popular back in the day. Who is the ammo Guy here , to find out a app. value on ’em. I also got some other s I need to find a value on , eg; .32 Ideal, sealed box of .44Colt c.f., sealed box of .38r.f. long, 25-20 s.s. , etc.
I’m not an ammo guy specifically, but I used to collect U.S. Springfield Model 1873 rifles and carbines. The 500 grain bullet became standard for the rifle loading after 1882 for the .45-70. The carbine kept using the 405 grain bullet with 55 grains of powder (.45-55-405).
The .45-70-500 load was made by Frankford Arsenal as well as commercial firms such as Winchester and UMC. It’s very common.
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
This exact box is not shown in Shuey and Giles book but it is similar to one in the book. My guess that a pristine full box would bring as much as $400.
Maverick has way more knowledge than me on this subject.
Maverick , the box is sealed and wrapped in plastic , I really don’t want to open it. I’ll just put ’em back in the ammo cabinet. Thank You to all the replies.
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Henry Mero said
Maverick , the box is sealed and wrapped in plastic , I really don’t want to open it. I’ll just put ’em back in the ammo cabinet. Thank You to all the replies.
DON’T. Don’t ever open an unopened box of cartridges! If you are so curious to know what is inside, get it X-Rayed. Or go buy another box that is just like it that has already been opened and look at it.
I think Chuck is close on the value and would imagine in 400-600 range or slightly more. Mostly due to it still being a sealed box and in great condition. The round itself is a common loading and was around a long time. Four of the different models of the Winchester Reloading Tools were offered in 45 Gov 500 Grs. While harder to find than the standard 45 Gov tool, they do show up fairly regularly.
Putting them in the ammo cabinet is the best place for them.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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I agree with Maverick, as far as not opening the box, as I’m sure Henry won’t do that, like he said he’s putting the box away.
If needed, my boxes are unsealed, and I can open and snap additional pictures, of them, if needed.
Anthony
Bert H. said
oldcrankyyankee said
Those are impressive Chuck. I think the 38 ex is really cool. I bet that would be a very “flat” shooting cartridge. Were any of these chambered in Winchester rifles? Given the length I would have to guess only the 85 high walls.
The 38 Express (38-90) is listed in the Winchester catalogs with an advertised 1,546 fps.
Bert
That’s neat, thank you for sharing.
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