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July 18, 2019
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BUY TODAY?!  Smile

 

James

 

Added: Well, buying today might be too wishful, especially when I have been successful at not buying any guns for about three years.  Primarily, since I keep telling myself to invest in another manner.  However, I have been looking for a nice 1890 or 94 this past week,  I would even be interested in an 1885 like Bert collects.  Along that line though, what about you folks?  

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For me it would take "a meeting of the minds."  An owner who did not appreciate what he/she had and either: 

1.  Liked me as a friend; or

2.  Was like me and too lazy to do what it takes to maximize return and willing to settle for less just to get rid of it.

So, an old, dark (maybe even rusty relic), original, OBFMCB, Henry, 66, 73, 86, 92 or 94 for $500.00 to a $1,000.00 or so.

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For me it would take "a meeting of the minds."  An owner who did not appreciate what he/she had and either: 

1.  Liked me as a friend; or

2.  Was like me and too lazy to do what it takes to maximize return and willing to settle for less just to get rid of it.

So, an old, dark (maybe even rusty relic), original, OBFMCB, Henry, 66, 73, 86, 92 or 94 for $500.00 to a $1,000.00 or so.

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July 18, 2019
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James-

Interesting hypothetical...

I have always considered myself to be "disciplined" as a collector (Hah!!!! Wink) and have tried to build up my M70 collection based on a "plan" (Hah, Hah!!! WinkWink).  With M70s, I have focused on cataloged standard production "configurations" (some good number of which are quite rare) and I currently have 27/29 cataloged "configurations" as Roger Rule classified them.  B/c I am a "scientist" (meaning "Geek" Wink) professionally, I really can't help approaching gun collecting like a coin collector would approach Lincoln head pennies.  Someone who isn't happy if there are slots in his coin book that aren't filled.  Pretty dumb, Huh????

SO... For me, the "Buy It Now" option would apply to an original M70 in one of my "missing" configurations.  Price would be a secondary consideration given that (as you might imagine) my two "missing" configurations aren't easy to pick up (or I'd already have them)...

Cheers,

Lou

P.S.  Anybody have any original/decent M70 1st variation (ramped) target rifles they're thinking of parting with?  Especially a 220 SWIFT (26" barrel)???  Too funny...Wink

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Something that I don’t have, that I would want or like...... it would probably have to say Winchester on it, original ,and at a price I would be comfortable with.......ideally a spruce gun...

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For me model 1894 or 1886 only, pre 1904. $1000 limit at this point. Has to be a a shooter. 

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  I don't have any idea what I want until I see it. It's a impulse buy for me. That's why I go to gun shows. T/R

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Apparently all it takes in my case is a pulse and some plastic if I don’t have the cash. “Gee, I don’t have one of those.” Or “that’s better than the one I have.” Or “I need a shooter, my other MXXXX is too nice to shoot.” Or my favorite; “I haven’t bought a gun all month!”....on February 1st a few years ago. Guy behind the counter really liked that one too. 😉

 

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Nice to read about others with the same disease & knowing I’m not alone lol. 

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Apparently all it takes in my case is a pulse and some plastic if I don’t have the cash. “Gee, I don’t have one of those.” Or “that’s better than the one I have.” Or “I need a shooter, my other MXXXX is too nice to shoot.” Or my favorite; “I haven’t bought a gun all month!”....on February 1st a few years ago. Guy behind the counter really liked that one too. 😉

 

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Mike are we brothers????  I just had this conversation in my head about a week ago.....Gee, i don't have an 1885.....well i will in two weeks! hahhaCool

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I have a list of about 7 guns that I am actually looking for.  Like TR, I mostly buy on impulse.  I am asked all the time what I am looking for and I say I'll know when I see it.

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Great comments folks, thanks, to all who have responded.

Huck: There is no doubt that we all like a good deal. Smile Good deals were a whole lot more frequent during the initial phase of my hunter-gatherer days.  Looking back, I made a lot of what I felt were good deals, but I was probably fleeced more than a time or two back then and later where originality and/or price was concerned.  I would have really been burned had I not of had some old timers to seek advice from; Bert and an old boy from East Texas saved me what I consider a bundle more than once!  Looking forward, here's to more good deals for us both!!! 

Lou:  Funny stuff, indeed, man!  Laugh  I have to tell you, though, your discipline and specialized model 70 plan appears to have paid big dividends where enjoyment and success is concerned!   Plus, I have greatly enjoyed your postings over the years as I know other members have as well, thanks!   Still, what are you going to do after you fill those two pennyLaugh slots?   I can't help but think that we are both ripe for the picking about now!  Laugh

TR: I know that feeling, too, although I make few gun shows.  I'm already considering buying another Winchester that is presently on auction right now.  A model that I do not even own, simply because I like it.  I just wish that I had your knowledge when it comes to times like this.  Thanks for the comment!

Mike:  Killer response!  Laugh  

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I have a list of about 7 guns that I am actually looking for.  Like TR, I mostly buy on impulse.  I am asked all the time what I am looking for and I say I'll know when I see it.  

Chuck, you and TR seemed to have nailed two very important collecting details.

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Folks,  Love this line of discussion!  Me?  I am a mathematician by schooling, and career Army by avocation.  Try to be disciplined in my approach as well.  So....I go to a show or auction with the idea of "I NEED this or that".  Then a pretty face catches my eye and all the careful plans go out the window!  So many times, trying to stick to the "plan" blinds me to other good buys, better versions to replace what I have, or just other "neat to have" versions.  Then there are times like currently that I don't have the funds to buy so have to ignore what is there!  Glad to hear/read other's vices and shortcomings as well!

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I don’t know if anyone else feels the same way, but enjoy the chase more than the acquisition. I have all 1894’s & in rifle a full mag first model 1894 takedown, 1/2 mag takedown, 1/2 octagon/1/2 round, short rifle, full mag oct, full mad round,  & 2 carbines. I’m now chasing calibers. I’ve said ok enough, but that lasted as long as Hillary Clinton’s NRA membership.  

Anyway don't want to debate politics, just like reading the replies. 

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Hi James-

My vote for best response so far goes to Mike.  I've tried using the "I haven't bought a gun all month" argument on myself with about the same effect...  Nobody subscribes to my "logic" (not even me), but it sure sounds good...

Since you asked, I'll say...  The two (of 29) Rule "cataloged M70 configurations" I lack are:

1.  First variation target rifle (Marksman stock) with RAMPED 26" MH straight taper barrel.  I happen to have one (legit ramped CMS barrel with '36 date) that's in a standard stock (maybe original???) but that's not the cataloged (1937 only) configuration.  I know where two (likely three) of them "live" but none of then live at my house.  I got to handle one of those last month that resides in another WACA member's collection.  I've got THREE possibly good 1st variation Targets with 24" barrels (two 257 ROBERTS and one .30 GOV'T'06), but not the 26" barrel Swift. Frown

2. Super Grade 375 MAGNUM rifle with 24" Medium Heavy Straight Taper barrel.  Should probably have one of these by now had I been paying attention...  Basically a 1937-39 offering - Before Winchester changed the barrel contour.  Oddly, I also have one of these that might (???) be a factory gun, but it's got fancy wood, the extra cost pistol grip checkering, and a Winchester-like gold monogram plate, which says that (if factory) it was not "standard production".  VERY pretty gun that might well be legit, but it doesn't fill the slot in my "coin book" b/c it's got special order features (if indeed they're factory).  Like I said, GEEK Wink...

Sorry you asked????

Cheers,

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AG said
I don’t know if anyone else feels the same way, but enjoy the chase more than the acquisition. I have all 1894’s & in rifle a full mag first model 1894 takedown, 1/2 mag takedown, 1/2 octagon/1/2 round, short rifle, full mag oct, full mad round,  & 2 carbines. I’m now chasing calibers. I’ve said ok enough, but that lasted as long as Hillary Clinton’s NRA membership.  

Anyway don't want to debate politics, just like reading the replies. 

AG   

AG I understand the feeling.  I very often get buyer's remorse.  The hunt is a lot of fun.

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Ya Chuck had buyers remorse as well a few times. Ugh!

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Hi James-

My vote for best response so far goes to Mike.  I've tried using the "I haven't bought a gun all month" argument on myself with about the same effect...  Nobody subscribes to my "logic" (not even me), but it sure sounds good...

Since you asked, I'll say...  The two (of 29) Rule "cataloged M70 configurations" I lack are:

1.  First variation target rifle (Marksman stock) with RAMPED 26" MH straight taper barrel.  I happen to have one (legit ramped CMS barrel with '36 date) that's in a standard stock (maybe original???) but that's not the cataloged (1937 only) configuration.  I know where two (likely three) of them "live" but none of then live at my house.  I got to handle one of those last month that resides in another WACA member's collection.  I've got THREE possibly good 1st variation Targets with 24" barrels (two 257 ROBERTS and one .30 GOV'T'06), but not the 26" barrel Swift. Frown

2. Super Grade 375 MAGNUM rifle with 24" Medium Heavy Straight Taper barrel.  Should probably have one of these by now had I been paying attention...  Basically a 1937-39 offering - Before Winchester changed the barrel contour.  Oddly, I also have one of these that might (???) be a factory gun, but it's got fancy wood, the extra cost pistol grip checkering, and a Winchester-like gold monogram plate, which says that (if factory) it was not "standard production".  VERY pretty gun that might well be legit, but it doesn't fill the slot in my "coin book" b/c it's got special order features (if indeed they're factory).  Like I said, GEEK Wink...

Sorry you asked????

Cheers,

Lou  

SurprisedPerish the thought! Smile  Detailed notes or any Winchester will do, should work like a charm!!!!!!! 

Good luck with your hunt, Lou!!!

James

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