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What are the odds of a "AS NEW" made in 1938 Model 94?
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 I have been a modest collector of pre 64 94’s for some time now. I buy and sell some and buy and keep others. I purchased a “As New” 1950 model 94 in the original box about 3 months ago, I paid what I thought was a premium for it. Took it to my local gun shop that does consignment and he called me while I was on my way home from dropping the 94 off and told me that it sold 30 minutes after I left. I said earlier that I paid a premium for it, well…It sold for 4 times the premium that I paid!! 

Flash forward to a week ago. On any given day I’m in the bidding on at least 10 to 15 auctions, most are pre 64 94’s some are just cool stuff…to me anyway. I will only win a couple because of bidders that are willing to pay a lot more than me and some that obviously have no clue what they’re biding on.

Auction description was at most minimal in information and details. Said it was a 40’s model 94 in 32 WS. Pictures were few and a little blurry but what I could tell from the pics it was a chance I was willing to take because the two good pics were of a shotgun buttplate with 90% bluing still intact no dings or dents, wood looked fabulous, checkered hammer and crisp Winchester markings on the barrel and upper tang. I ended up winning the auction because at the very least I will be able to get what I paid for it if I need to sell it.

I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong but the serial# 11906xx dates to 1938. Bluing is 98%, Wood is 99%, Bore is as new condition. Numbers under barrel are 38  32 WS. All markings on barrel including serial# and upper tang are crisp and untouched.

Is it possible to find something like this “As New” 84 year old 94 at a Pawn Shop in small town USA??

I just figured out how to post pics so I will be posting some in the next few days. Happy 4th of July to All!!

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The partial serial number indicates late September or early October… need the complete number to pin it down.

While it is very rare to find a pre-WW II production Model 94 Carbine in like new condition, there are some of them out there.

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1190619 and thank you Bert.

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Bobbys94 said
1190619 and thank you Bert.

  

September 30th, 1938.  Serial number 1190630 was the last one made in September of 1938.

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How do I get that list of serial#’s and dates?

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Bobbys94 said
Is it possible to find something like this “As New” 84 year old 94 at a Pawn Shop in small town USA??

  

Remarkable…close to fantastic…but mathematically incompetent as I am, doesn’t “as new” imply 100%? 

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Bobbys94 said
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How do I get that list of serial#’s and dates?

George

  

You can’t… at least not without a research trip to the Cody Firearms Museum.  As the WACA Historian I created a quick reference document for the DOM look-up feature here on the WACA website, and I have it as an e-file on my PC.

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Could you please tell me the # produced and serial # range of a 1938 model 94 in 32 WS? 

Thanks George

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Bobbys94 said
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Could you please tell me the # produced and serial # range of a 1938 model 94 in 32 WS? 

Thanks George

  

Per the original factory records Winchester manufactured 39,570 Model 94 & 64 Carbines & Rifles in the year 1938 (serial number range 1158836 – 1198405).  Based on my research survey, the Model 64 production was 23.385% of the 39,570 manufactured in the year 1938.  The remaining 76.615% of the production total was the Model 94. 

For the year 1938, the caliber ratio for the Model 94 in my survey is as follows;

1. 30 WCF = 58.28%

2. 32 WS = 40.32%

3. 25-35 WCF = 1.40%

The extrapolated 32 WS caliber production for the year 1938 would therefore be as follows;

39,570 x 76.615% = 30,317 Model 94s

30,317 x 40.32% = 12,224 32 WS

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Thank you very much Bert. You’re the reason I signed up for the long term on this site. George

My next post will be my attempt at posting some pics of the 1938/94 and to Clarence….Pics of my “As new”…..”To Me” 1938

They will include pics of my “Well Used” 1938 alongside for comparison. Some will be reverse, upside down or who knows but they’re all real.

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98% is conservative–except for the bit of wear on the upper tang, 99+% seems a closer estimate.

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clarence said
98% is conservative–except for the bit of wear on the upper tang, 99+% seems a closer estimate.

  

That’s a pic of my well used 1938 upper tang to compare to the other, without flaws.

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Very nice (high) condition Carbine!  You have a rare Model 94 purely based on its graded condition.

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20220701_081003.jpgImage Enlarger George those “as new” Winchesters show up once in a while, You just need to be in the right place at the right time with the right amount of money. A few years ago I bought a small collection of pre war Win. carbines from an elderly gentleman in Wisconsin, a dozen of them were “as new” , some even with the original hang tags, I still have a couple of them.  Nice find.

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