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November 27, 2013
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It’s been a while since I posted any of our videos on the forum, but the group may find some interest in these John Ulrich made Winchester dies. Believe it or not, I bought them with a group of Winchester stamps off EBAY several years ago for next to nothing. The seller didn’t see the Ulrich marks or didn’t know the significance. Needless to say, I was a bit shocked when they arrived, and I found the maker’s marks. I get a little nostalgic any time I use them. Mark
May 2, 2009
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Mark,
Neat stuff. I bought a collection of tools, dies and gauges from a gunsmith and he used them as well. I have a 25-20 WCF barrel stamp and the 73 caliber stamps for 32, 38 and 44 which would of been used on early barrels and elevators. They all have the J. Ulrich stamp on them which I figured he stamped them so if they needed repair later they know who to take them to. What I think is amazing is that he made the tiny little J. Ulrich stamp to sign his work.
Bob
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November 27, 2013
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1873man said
Mark,Neat stuff. I bought a collection of tools, dies and gauges from a gunsmith and he used them as well. I have a 25-20 WCF barrel stamp and the 73 caliber stamps for 32, 38 and 44 which would of been used on early barrels and elevators. They all have the J. Ulrich stamp on them which I figured he stamped them so if they needed repair later they know who to take them to. What I think is amazing is that he made the tiny little J. Ulrich stamp to sign his work.
Bob
Bob. Thanks for posting those pictures. I’m envious, especially of those 1873 caliber stamps. Mark
August 27, 2014
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Good Stuff! Really enjoy posts like this
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April 30, 2023
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Great share, I can’t imagine having to engrave those and then constantly cut replacements as they wore out. True artwork.
November 7, 2015
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Fascinating. Hard to imagine the amount of skill and discipline it took to make those stamps and dies.
Mike
May 23, 2009
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I’ve got a few factory stamps as well, mostly from Dan Shuey. Mostly are assembler/inspector stamps, steel manufacturer stamps, and some caliber stamps. All of which appear to be on the smaller side and are for marking the underside of barrels or for marking receivers.
Most of the stamps are not marked with an engravers names. Of the ones marked with engravers name include, Adoph Johnson, H.L. Peck, John A. Gough and the John Ulrich.
JWA helped me figure out that the U.S. Property stamp I have was for marking the top side of the Model 52 / 52B barrels.
Mark on your roll die. I do not believe that is a serial number, but rather some sort of factory inventory number. Several of my stamps and factory gauges have these same type of numbers and correspond with factory drawings with the same drawing number. For example I have a “M.H.S.” stamp (Midvale High Speed Steel – Midvale Steel Co.) that is marked CF 17577-89 it is noted as shown on sheet D17577-89 in the Stamp Book.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Maverick said
JWA helped me figure out that the U.S. Property stamp I have was for marking the top side of the Model 52 / 52B barrels.
Mark on your roll die. I do not believe that is a serial number, but rather some sort of factory inventory number. Several of my stamps and factory gauges have these same type of numbers and correspond with factory drawings with the same drawing number. For example I have a “M.H.S.” stamp (Midvale High Speed Steel – Midvale Steel Co.) that is marked CF 17577-89 it is noted as shown on sheet D17577-89 in the Stamp Book.
Hmm, I don’t recall the U.S. Property stamp conversation, maybe that 52 info was from someone else? Most of the 52 U.S. markings I have seen have been electro-penciled on the receiver.
Mark, Maverick is correct, the stamp numbers refer to a drawing number for that specific stamp. Some were also lettered which corresponded to the stamp blank used to create a specific stamp. I have an on-going spreadsheet that lists all of the stamp numbers and drawings I have found to-date. It would be fantastic if one of these days the actual Winchester Stamp Book was found…..
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There were a group of late model 52B’s that were hand stamped either with “U.S. PROP.” on the RH side of the barrel, “U.S. PROPERTY” above the serial number on the receiver or above the roll stamping on LH side of barrel. Below are 3 examples. These will all be in the 70XXXB range.
Steve
October 14, 2024
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Mark
I watched the video yesterday and I enjoyed every minute of it. It’s so cool that you are able to use the stamps and dies on your work today.
March 31, 2009
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Really cool stuff guys!
October 14, 2024
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Mark, do you have an Ulrich 45-70 die for my Winchester Hotchkiss? 
July 17, 2012
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seewin said
There were a group of late model 52B’s that were hand stamped either with “U.S. PROP.” on the RH side of the barrel, “U.S. PROPERTY” above the serial number on the receiver or above the roll stamping on LH side of barrel. Below are 3 examples. These will all be in the 70XXXB range.Steve
I figured it was you that had given Brady the stamp info, or I had passed on your info to him 😉
Now that I see your pictures I have seen some of those markings on 52’s but don’t own any that have them.
Looking forward to seeing you in Cody!
Best Regards,
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September 19, 2014
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Mark, As always, a most interesting session!! I, too, look forward to Cody and talking with you again. I marvel at the ability of any of the old engravers to make such small tools, especially on the round dies, etc. Tim
May 23, 2009
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Jeff & Steve,
I believe Jeff must of passed the information along, as I recall it coming from you Jeff. Ether way I’m thankful for the information, as several stamps I have I’m not sure what they were exactly for other than general speculation.
Here is Steve’s 1st pic compared to the reverse image of the stamp head and the stamp marking made with blue ink (which I don’t think is done perfectly so by me).
JWA said
It would be fantastic if one of these days the actual Winchester Stamp Book was found…..
I have a few pages from “Stamp Book No. 10” that I got from Shuey when he sold me the stamps. All appear to be copies except one and it is the original pencil pen ink drawing. I’m not certain where Dan got them, but from another collector. Dan may have mentioned that they came from John Hintlian. Hintlian was a well known epherma collector. But I’m not certain it was from John. Dan may have gotten them from the Cody museum for all I know.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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