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It’s been a while since I posted any of our videos on the forum, but the group may find some interest in these John Ulrich made Winchester dies. Believe it or not, I bought them with a group of Winchester stamps off EBAY several years ago for next to nothing. The seller didn’t see the Ulrich marks or didn’t know the significance. Needless to say, I was a bit shocked when they arrived, and I found the maker’s marks. I get a little nostalgic any time I use them. Mark
Mark,
Neat stuff. I bought a collection of tools, dies and gauges from a gunsmith and he used them as well. I have a 25-20 WCF barrel stamp and the 73 caliber stamps for 32, 38 and 44 which would of been used on early barrels and elevators. They all have the J. Ulrich stamp on them which I figured he stamped them so if they needed repair later they know who to take them to. What I think is amazing is that he made the tiny little J. Ulrich stamp to sign his work.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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1873man said
Mark,Neat stuff. I bought a collection of tools, dies and gauges from a gunsmith and he used them as well. I have a 25-20 WCF barrel stamp and the 73 caliber stamps for 32, 38 and 44 which would of been used on early barrels and elevators. They all have the J. Ulrich stamp on them which I figured he stamped them so if they needed repair later they know who to take them to. What I think is amazing is that he made the tiny little J. Ulrich stamp to sign his work.
Bob
Bob. Thanks for posting those pictures. I’m envious, especially of those 1873 caliber stamps. Mark
Good Stuff! Really enjoy posts like this
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Great share, I can’t imagine having to engrave those and then constantly cut replacements as they wore out. True artwork.
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Fascinating. Hard to imagine the amount of skill and discipline it took to make those stamps and dies.
Mike
I’ve got a few factory stamps as well, mostly from Dan Shuey. Mostly are assembler/inspector stamps, steel manufacturer stamps, and some caliber stamps. All of which appear to be on the smaller side and are for marking the underside of barrels or for marking receivers.
Most of the stamps are not marked with an engravers names. Of the ones marked with engravers name include, Adoph Johnson, H.L. Peck, John A. Gough and the John Ulrich.
JWA helped me figure out that the U.S. Property stamp I have was for marking the top side of the Model 52 / 52B barrels.
Mark on your roll die. I do not believe that is a serial number, but rather some sort of factory inventory number. Several of my stamps and factory gauges have these same type of numbers and correspond with factory drawings with the same drawing number. For example I have a “M.H.S.” stamp (Midvale High Speed Steel – Midvale Steel Co.) that is marked CF 17577-89 it is noted as shown on sheet D17577-89 in the Stamp Book.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Maverick said
JWA helped me figure out that the U.S. Property stamp I have was for marking the top side of the Model 52 / 52B barrels.
Mark on your roll die. I do not believe that is a serial number, but rather some sort of factory inventory number. Several of my stamps and factory gauges have these same type of numbers and correspond with factory drawings with the same drawing number. For example I have a “M.H.S.” stamp (Midvale High Speed Steel – Midvale Steel Co.) that is marked CF 17577-89 it is noted as shown on sheet D17577-89 in the Stamp Book.
Hmm, I don’t recall the U.S. Property stamp conversation, maybe that 52 info was from someone else? Most of the 52 U.S. markings I have seen have been electro-penciled on the receiver.
Mark, Maverick is correct, the stamp numbers refer to a drawing number for that specific stamp. Some were also lettered which corresponded to the stamp blank used to create a specific stamp. I have an on-going spreadsheet that lists all of the stamp numbers and drawings I have found to-date. It would be fantastic if one of these days the actual Winchester Stamp Book was found…..
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
There were a group of late model 52B’s that were hand stamped either with “U.S. PROP.” on the RH side of the barrel, “U.S. PROPERTY” above the serial number on the receiver or above the roll stamping on LH side of barrel. Below are 3 examples. These will all be in the 70XXXB range.
Steve
Mark
I watched the video yesterday and I enjoyed every minute of it. It’s so cool that you are able to use the stamps and dies on your work today.
seewin said
There were a group of late model 52B’s that were hand stamped either with “U.S. PROP.” on the RH side of the barrel, “U.S. PROPERTY” above the serial number on the receiver or above the roll stamping on LH side of barrel. Below are 3 examples. These will all be in the 70XXXB range.Steve
I figured it was you that had given Brady the stamp info, or I had passed on your info to him 😉
Now that I see your pictures I have seen some of those markings on 52’s but don’t own any that have them.
Looking forward to seeing you in Cody!
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
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