February 6, 2010
OfflineHey guys I was just wondering are there any tips on buying the winchester book by george madis? I have looked at several of them and the ones that say signed some have a discrepancy in the handwriting. Also what is the first edition? Did George sign them as well? Most say 1 of 1000 but I see first editions and second editions and some say new. Any insight you be appreciated.
April 30, 2023
OnlineI’ve never believed they were actually hand-signed, mine looks like a printed signature, although every advertisement or listing you see says “author signed.” Maybe someone else can chime in if there was truly a “signed” edition with a real signature. There’s still some folks on here who knew George.
Unless you’re chasing a collectible or other reasons, I’d shop on eBay and all the used book places for any reasonable condition copy, there’s a lot of them and most are not very much money compared to other limited-run books of our hobby…
January 27, 1992
OfflineFunny story.
Many years ago I found a very nice First Edition of “The Winchester Book” that had not been signed by Mr. Madis. Knowing he would be at the Big Reno Show I took it along for him to sign.
When I showed it to him he hollared at one of the other men sitting at his table and said, “Hey, look at this. Roger found an unsigned First Edition.”
He then explained that an unsigned book was much more rare than a signed book and we should leave it unsigned. So he didn’t sign it and that’s how it stands.
Mr. Madis was always cordial and open to share his ideas and views.
RDB
February 6, 2010
OfflineHaving never seen one in person I figured it was time to check one out. I have no idea how good they are.
I do have both volumes of Winchester slide action rifles. Those have good info in them.
The Winchester book on ebay sure do vary in price. I suppose just the nicest one you can find.
Steve
April 30, 2023
OnlineYou’ll see a lot of references here and other places saying “old Madis numbers”….that’s because a lot of details and production number updates have been discovered or updated since by our fine members. Still good as a historical record and is a huge part of Winchester collector lore, but just be aware that a lot has been updated since.
November 7, 2015
OnlineI wouldn’t consider a Winchester reference library of any size complete without a copy of Madis’ Winchester Book and possibly other books he wrote. Admittedly some better information is available now but the book has tons of good information. I think some editions have better quality paper than others. The paper and photo quality of my first edition isn’t great but later editions, especially recent editions, are definitely not a good investment.
Mike
May 23, 2009
OfflineMy understanding is that every edition but the last edition is hand signed by George typically in blue ink. Mrs. Madis stated George had boxes of his favorite blue ink pen that he liked to use in their house. The last edition I believe is printed on the page, as I do believe the last edition may have been printed up posthumously by George’s wife Pat.
I own several editions, about the only one I don’t have is the Blue anniversary edition.
If you enjoy Winchester you should own a copy of the Winchester Book!
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September 22, 2011
OfflineTXGunNut said
I wouldn’t consider a Winchester reference library of any size complete without a copy of Madis’ Winchester Book and possibly other books he wrote. Admittedly some better information is available now but the book has tons of good information. I think some editions have better quality paper than others. The paper and photo quality of my first edition isn’t great but later editions, especially recent editions, are definitely not a good investment.
Mike
It’s surprising you say that as I received a copy about Christmas of 1985 and it was the newest copy available at the time. Graphics appear to be reprints of black & white photographs and of poor resolution.
Recently, I decided I wanted a copy of Snyder’s book on Ithaca shotguns and didn’t want to pay the $750 or so most are listed for—never mind they’re not actually worth that. And so I found that book along with 37 others I got at auction shipped to my doorstep for $661 for everything . In this lot was a first edition of Madis’ book and I was surprised at how much nicer the glossy pages were and how much more detail was in each photograph.
Madis’ works are dated but valuable. Now, there are quality books on the 1873, 1876, 1885, and 1895 that are remarkable in scope and extent. We need a comprehensive publication about the Model 1886, however.
January 7, 2014
Offlineslk said
Hey guys I was just wondering are there any tips on buying the winchester book by george madis? I have looked at several of them and the ones that say signed some have a discrepancy in the handwriting. Also what is the first edition? Did George sign them as well? Most say 1 of 1000 but I see first editions and second editions and some say new. Any insight you be appreciated.
slk,
A tip on the first edition – true original first edition does not list reprints. The original first edition was printed November 1961 although the book is not dated and not signed. I have seen the 4th reprint advertised as a true original first edition, Yes it says 1st edition but there was three reprints dated 1963,1965 and 1966.
At one time I had a complete collection of the Winchester Book. As I recall I had 11 or 12 books. I bought the original first edition sometime in 1962. Buying as they become available. The last one Copyright 1985 was given to me by my deceased son for Xmas of 1985. Due to age I have been selling off my collection. I have 6 books left of which I still have the original first edition and the first edition (4th printing), also the 1985 edition which I will never sell.
It was fun collecting these books but as with everything in life the time comes.
RR
May 23, 2009
OfflineMy first edition is signed on the inside cover before the title page “with the best wishes of the author, Dallas, Texas. November 20, 1961. George Madis”. I bought it used on Ebay for a very reasonable price long before the prices got way out of hand.
My 1963 & 1969 editions are unsigned. My old man has the edition before the 1985 edition came out and when he bought it was already signed but Dad later meet up with George in Dallas at a TGCA show and George personalized it, so his copy is actually signed twice. Years later Dad had a 1st Model 76 SRC that George was admiring at the show and offered to write a letter on it, but dad told him not to worry with it as he didn’t want to bother him about it. When the show was over Dad said he just about had to pry it from George’s hands to leave the show. I kinda wish now we had the letter, but oh well! Not long before George’s passing we went to the TGCA and had gotten word that George was sick under the weather and wasn’t going to make the show.
Not long after George’s passing I purchased the 1985 edition from Pat. But it had to of been a more recent re-printing of the book that she had made up or re-ordered, as it was brand new still sealed and it took Pat a while to get it to me. And there’s no way it was 20 something years old at the time I purchased it.
I do like the quality of the paper of the earlier editions but I imagine that the 1985 edition was printed on a lesser quality paper to help save on the cost of the book and its almost three times the size of the first edition.
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This is a very interesting discussion, thanks all for sharing. If the later editions are larger (thicker) than the first editions, what extra information was added?
I am borrowing a friends copy of The Winchester book. I’ll have to get my own as I’ve found it invaluable. I have stalled on reading it, stuck in the new guns section. Not quite as interesting.
May 23, 2009
OfflineI’d say as time went on George added some to each chapter but I’d say mostly he picked up adding information on the later models like the autos the 1905, 1907 and the 22s and the like.
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June 4, 2017
OfflineWhen I buy gun books it’s for reference not the collectability of the book. The latest edition usually has the most information and mistakes corrected. If the book has pictures then of course quality of pictures and paper matter. Paper back reprints are not desirable. T/R
September 22, 2011
OfflineI compared the 1971 version with my 1979 version. The former is thinner and says FIRST EDITION even though the first date of publication was 1961 and there were other printings, if not editions, prior to 1961. I compared the Winchester 1886 chapters. Nowhere near identical at all! The later edition has photographs not in the 1971 version, but, also, the other way around, as well. Some in the 1961 edition are not in the 1979 version. So, I’m guessing that you need all editions, but that would be okay until this book got stupidly expensive!
Here are photographs of the same firearm in the 1971 and 1979 editions. I thought the resolution was better in the 1971 edition, printed on glossy paper, vs the 1979 edition, which appears to be printed on standard copier paper, perhaps a bit thicker. The resolution appears identical, so it shows I must be prejudiced in favour of glossy paper.
The second and third photographs are the same photograph but one from the 1971 and one from the 1979 editions. The checkering appears equally crisp.![]()


November 7, 2015
OnlineTR said
When I buy gun books it’s for reference not the collectability of the book. The latest edition usually has the most information and mistakes corrected. If the book has pictures then of course quality of pictures and paper matter. Paper back reprints are not desirable. T/R
I’m not a book collector but some of the books in my reference library have appreciated more than the guns they helped me make buying decisions on. The photos in my copy vary in quality. On closer inspection it appears to be a “first edition” but a 1985 printing. A bit confusing. Just another Madis mystery.
Mike
March 15, 2020
OnlineHaving both editions is great. I have WINCHESTER RIFLES 1st edition 8th printing (1969). I also have WINCHESTER RIFLES 1 of 1000 (1985 edition). The photos in 1st edition are what I would call 1st generation. The photos in the 1985 edition are what I would call 2nd generation. If I am looking for details I get out my magnifier and search in the 1st edition. Don
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