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January 29, 2021 - 12:14 am
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Hello all. Question and opinion from all of you. 

Given the increased push for gun confiscation of AR platform and black gun configurations and dissolution of our Second Amendment:

Do you think this could eventually impact lever and other Winchester collectable rifles? Does this current narrative make you more prone to sell off your respective collections or will you continue to purchase more rifles and not worry about it?

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I wouldn’t lose much sleep worrying about someone trying to confiscate your Winchesters. I know I will continue to acquire. 

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Erin Grivicich said
I wouldn’t lose much sleep worrying about someone trying to confiscate your Winchesters. I know I will continue to acquire. 

Erin  

You’re right–ATF is going to be too busy confiscating ARs & AKs after they’ve been reclassified as Class 3 firearms, if the gun-haters get their wish.  Other semi-autos may be next.

The definition of “antique” is written into a law that could be repealed any time Congress wishes to do so.  Already my C&R has been rendered “null & void” in the Dictatorship of New York State.

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Not sure if this is too political for this forum, so feel free to delete if inappropriate.

I’m not so worried about Winchester confiscation, but proposed legislation could affect many other semi-automatic removable magazine centerfire firearms as well (i.e. semi-automatic firearms with fully automatic variants or potential modification to fully-automatic).

Not to mention the proposed ban on any mail-order or internet sales of guns, gun parts, ammunition and accessories (purposely vague as we know there are no direct sales of guns currently in this manner). That eliminates the ability by all but the lucky to have access to repair firearms, acquire proper parts for collectibles, not to mention online auctions, etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see C&R FFLs neutered as they have been here in California. Our new Vice President used every legal trick in the book as CA AG to increase restrictions here in CA even when those restrictions were found unconstitutional in Federal Court. 

No question they want EVERY firearm confiscated. Harris has stated that and said she would use executive order to achieve that, in spite of the Constitution. They won’t get that but they certainly will do everything in their power to stop even collectors (we all have “mass arsenals of destruction” by their description).

This isn’t about black rifles. That’s just the foot in the door.

Look at California and New York. That’s who runs the country now.

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We talk here all the time about fantastic auction prices, previous records smashed, money to spend on guns seemingly inexhaustible; meanwhile, NRA is facing bankruptcy.  Priorities? 

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You might find it very difficult to sell or ship ANY firearm in the not so distant future. Our 2A rights are in jeopardy. If you don’t see that, your head is in the sand.

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One of the most dangerous things looming is the proposed repeal of the liability protection for firearms manufacturers from third party crimes with their products. I think the new administration is going to prevail on this. My prediction is all firearm manufacturers will be sued out of existence in two to four years.

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One of the most dangerous things looming is the proposed repeal of the liability protection for firearms manufacturers from third party crimes with their products. I think the new administration is going to prevail on this. My prediction is all firearm manufacturers will be sued out of existence in two to four years.  

  They can’t sue the Chinese. I hope you like Chinese proof marks. T/R

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 My prediction is all firearm manufacturers will be sued out of existence in two to four years.  

Bloomberg’s org has more than enough money to do it, & not necessarily by winning the suits (though it’s not hard to guess the verdicts of juries in Chicago, Detroit, NYC, any big city), but by using litigation to bankrupt the makers.  This is exactly what NYS is now doing to NRA–using taxpayer money to bankrupt the org with a frivolous suit. 

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  They can’t sue the Chinese. I hope you like Chinese proof marks. T/R  

You mean like all the Norinco clones of M1As & other popular guns that were BANNED yrs ago?  You’ll have to leave the country to see Chinese proof marks.

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Even with the present protections in place Remington got sued out of existence anyway. What chance do any of the manufacturers have without any legal protections?

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[email protected] said
 My prediction is all firearm manufacturers will be sued out of existence in two to four years.  

 Surely you do not mean the Chinese government owned companies. They might sue the importer’s hollow company out of business, but not the Chinese company. Clearly any American company is at great risk! T/R

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Bloomberg’s org has more than enough money to do it, & not necessarily by winning the suits (though it’s not hard to guess the verdicts of juries in Chicago, Detroit, NYC, any big city), but by using litigation to bankrupt the makers.  This is exactly what NYS is now doing to NRA–using taxpayer money to bankrupt the org with a frivolous suit.   

Exactly! Litigation is very expensive and even a frivolous lawsuit can bankrupt an organization. Firearms manufacturers are not big companies with deep pockets. 

 

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Like Steve said, you better look at what she did in Kalifornia.

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