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Scam Sales on Armslist
October 29, 2019
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FYI - I have a Winchester 1873 for sale on Guns International. Yesterday I received an email from a stranger telling me my gun was also advertised on Armlists. I go on Armlists website and there is MY Winchester rifle with my pictures and my description, listed at 30% of what I am asking.

Obviously, someone is trying to scam a person out of their money. However it is a little dis-concerning to see my ad on another website. This is probably one good reason why you shouldn't show or list the full serial number. 

Richard

October 29, 2019
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I have in the past on Ebay selling items I have put water marks on the pictures to eliminate the reuse of my pictures by other seller that were to lazy to take their own.

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October 29, 2019
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Richard Pike said
FYI - I have a Winchester 1873 for sale on Guns International. Yesterday I received an email from a stranger telling me my gun was also advertised on Armlists. I go on Armlists website and there is MY Winchester rifle with my pictures and my description, listed at 30% of what I am asking.

Obviously, someone is trying to scam a person out of their money. However it is a little dis-concerning to see my ad on another website. This is probably one good reason why you shouldn't show or list the full serial number. 

Richard  

Richard,

Posting or showing the serial number does not aid the scam artist. They simply copy your entire auction listing & pictures, and them modify it redirect who gets the payment.  It is unfortunately up to the buyer to verify that the seller is legit.  I do highly recommend that you contact Armslist and let them know that the listing is stolen from your listing on GI.  The stranger who contacted you is not uncommon these days, as a lot of people have become wary of online sales and routinely check multiple internet sales sites.  Be sure to send him a Thank You reply.

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October 29, 2019
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Richard,

This seller shows an outstanding method of preventing scammers from stealing your Gunbroker listing and putting it on Armslist... see picture number 2

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/827424975

 

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October 30, 2019
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Bert H. said
Richard,

This seller shows an outstanding method of preventing scammers from stealing your Gunbroker listing and putting it on Armslist... see picture number 2

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/827424975

 

Bert  

Bert, Great idea. I will have to start using that method. 

Thanks, Dick

November 1, 2019
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Bert H. said
Richard,

This seller shows an outstanding method of preventing scammers from stealing your Gunbroker listing and putting it on Armslist... see picture number 2

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/827424975

 

Bert  

Yes but picture #2 can be made to look like this.  I left part of the rubber band.pix700724730.jpgImage Enlarger

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November 1, 2019
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I was going to say something similar. Content-Aware Fill in Photoshop can make the image generic in just a few clicks. Still better than nothing, but be aware that if someone is determined enough to commit fraud, it's pretty easy to "clean" those images.

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November 1, 2019
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The best you can do is to water mark over the gun itself. The guy trying to use your images will pick a easier target.

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November 9, 2019
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Richard Pike said
FYI - I have a Winchester 1873 for sale on Guns International. Yesterday I received an email from a stranger telling me my gun was also advertised on Armlists. I go on Armlists website and there is MY Winchester rifle with my pictures and my description, listed at 30% of what I am asking.

Obviously, someone is trying to scam a person out of their money. However it is a little dis-concerning to see my ad on another website. This is probably one good reason why you shouldn't show or list the full serial number. 

Richard  

Richard,

Does the "seller" have a location listed as something like "Oklahoma, Oklahoma"?  I have seen this guy doing this for a few years now.  I follow Model 61's and 1892's pretty close on GB and GI and will find a rifle and he has it "listed" a day or two later with a few of the same photos.  He might even send you another pic or two fo the gun as long as it is in the original listing on GB but can never produce a unique picture.  He is definitely a crook.  I would love to "buy" a rifle from him and deliver the check on the end of a baseball bat!!

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November 9, 2019
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SOOOO...  I took a look and here is the SOB with a couple of Model 61 listings. 

This rifle is owned by a WACA member in Grand Ledge, MI but it also just happens to be for sale out of "Arizona, Arizona"  For about half of the MI asking price!!  https://www.armslist.com/posts/10402549/arizona-rifles-for-sale--winchester

And this rifle is currently offered on GB out of Freeport, IL https://www.gunbroker.com/item/844312082

But also offered on Armslist, using photo #6 of the GB add, out of MD, Maryland for a few hundred dollars more!!!  https://www.armslist.com/posts/10712347/maryland-rifles-for-sale--winchester-model-61-22lr-1935

Now I may be a geologist and not some legal eagle but this is OBVIOUSLY fraudulent activity!!

Michael

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November 17, 2019
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twobit said

Richard,

Does the "seller" have a location listed as something like "Oklahoma, Oklahoma"?  I have seen this guy doing this for a few years now.  I follow Model 61's and 1892's pretty close on GB and GI and will find a rifle and he has it "listed" a day or two later with a few of the same photos.  He might even send you another pic or two fo the gun as long as it is in the original listing on GB but can never produce a unique picture.  He is definitely a crook.  I would love to "buy" a rifle from him and deliver the check on the end of a baseball bat!!

Michael  

Michael, I think the address was West Virginia, but they probably move the address around anyway. I hope no one gets caught up in these scams. Apparently Armslist does not verify its sellers.  

November 22, 2019
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deerhunter said
Here's another scam:

https://www.armslist.com/posts/10474992/mississippi-antiques-for-sale--merwin---hulbert-open-top-single-action-revolver

https://www.merzantiques.com/product/mhg705-merwin-hulbert-open-top-single-action-revolver/  

Notice the Armslist location of the "seller" as MS, Mississippi.  He always is listed as that sort of repetition.  He just changes the location for different scams.  

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