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March 14, 2023 - 10:18 pm
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Need a little help! Did they ever make a 45-90 with 20 in,barrel? Half octogon half round gun dealer swears they did! I think he want to make a sale. LoL

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My guess is the barrel has been cut.  Can you post photographs and is a factory letter available?

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Do you know the serial number – or at least the serial number range?

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To the best of my knowledge there never was a half round short rifle. If it has a 20″ barrel I would be troubled by it.  

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Need a little help! Did they ever make a 45-90 with 20 in,barrel? Half octogon half round gun dealer swears they did! I think he want to make a sale. LoL

  

It is certainly possible for it to be original, but as mentioned, it needs to authenticated with a CFM factory letter.

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To the best of my knowledge there never was a half round short rifle. If it has a 20″ barrel I would be troubled by it.  

  

I would not be willing to make that bet.  In fact, it is much more likely that a few of them were actually made than not.

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  The William L. Porter research lists 113 20″ barreled 1886’s. It does not list caliber or type of barrel. I guess one of the 113 could be a 45-90.

  In the late 90’s I was offered a pricey 20″ 86 at Las Vegas by a large dealer, I think Pete Shavers. He gave me a list of guns, I looked but can’t find it. From memory I’m thinking 45-90 full octagon. T/R

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Here’s a 20″ Extra heavy in 40-65 that’s been at the Cody Show a few years back and went back and forth between a couple collectors some of us know. Talk about rarity, it’s quite an interesting specimen.

If you run out of ammo, it makes for a very effective club. This is assuming the other man has run out of ammo as well. 

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I think I seen a 45-90 20″ 1/2 oct. at auction a years ago, that had a letter. Big $ I have 2 20″ 86s that I posted here, a 33 and a 38-56 carbine with nickel steel barrel.

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It’s a 45-70 I got the serial number 

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pdog72 said
Here’s a 20″ Extra heavy in 40-65 that’s been at the Cody Show a few years back and went back and forth between a couple collectors some of us know. Talk about rarity, it’s quite an interesting specimen.

If you run out of ammo, it makes for a very effective club. This is assuming the other man has run out of ammo as well. 

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I appreciated his discussion of, “heavy” and, “extra heavy” barrels in this article.

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steve004 said

pdog72 said

Here’s a 20″ Extra heavy in 40-65 that’s been at the Cody Show a few years back and went back and forth between a couple collectors some of us know. Talk about rarity, it’s quite an interesting specimen.

If you run out of ammo, it makes for a very effective club. This is assuming the other man has run out of ammo as well. 

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I appreciated his discussion of, “heavy” and, “extra heavy” barrels in this article.

  

I would have loved to talk to the person who ordered this rifle – just what they were thinking – what their point was.  Longer barreled extra heavy rifles make more sense – but 20 inches – extra heavy?  Again, would have loved to know what he was after.

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Tongue in cheek here, after digging to the back of the safe and pulling out a couple half round 86’s today. If said rifle was in fact a short rifle, that given the measurements I have observed today on 26″ barrels, would the short rifle with a 20″ barrel technically be a 2/3 oct 1/3 round?Kiss 

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