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Maverick said
TXGunNut said
I seem to recall a cartridge board with kraft paper covering the wires & such in the back but can’t recall the variation. The paper was in poor condition but the rest of the board was pretty cool, IIRC.
Mike
I don’t necessarily know that I would call it Kraft paper, as I don’t know if it is or not. If you look closely at the photo of the back of the board I posted. You can see the edges of the paper that was glued to the board which covering the wires.
I’m thinking maybe the paper didn’t last long.
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TXGunNut said I’m thinking maybe the paper didn’t last long.
Just like with everything else collectable the conditions it was kept in is the key to its survival. There are several cartridge boards that still have their original paper backing.
I’ve got ammo boxes and instruction sheets and other ephemera that are 150 years old and counting.
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Chad@GalleryFirearms said
From what I gathered the 40-65 was a chamber option in the 1884 catalog on the M1883. The internet seems to think it was never actually produced?
From what I can gather is that the “40-65 Hotchkiss” cartridge and the “40-65 W.C.F.” are the same cartridge. It appears in the Jan. 1st, 1884 Catalog and is not shown in the Sept. 1st, 1884 Catalog. And it appears on the 1884 Cartridge Board. So they certainly made the cartridge in some quantity in 1884.
Here are images of the Jan. 1884 & June 1887 Catalog pages. (For some reason I can’t get them to rotate properly when posting on the Forum.) The images used or printer’s blocks of the cartridges look identical. Except for the wording on the shell of the cartridge.
The company must have developed it in the 1883-84 timeframe as a potential chambering for the Hotchkiss Rifle. It must have been shelved for a couple of years until the introduction of the Model 1886 Rifle, which it is one of the chamberings offered for that Model Rifle. Which makes sense that there are some un-headstamped cartridges out there in 40-65. As by the year 1886, WRACo was headstamping their cartridges.
Giles & Shuey’s cartridge box book has an entire page that discusses this very cartridge. Along with the associated confusion with a similar Winchester, Marlin and Colt cartridge.
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Maverick
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I just noticed some other interesting details when looking at the Kiko auction photos again.
So when looking at this photo it appears quite a few of the cartridges on the board have head stamps on them. Which in my opinion, the head stamped cartridges are replacements as they’re later than the when the board was made. From what I’ve gathered WRACo started headstamping 1885-86. Which correlates with my previous discussion about the back of the board being redone and the cartridges being remounted/retied with the board being reframed. So the board having an restoration, which is not uncommon at all.
Plus when you compare them with this other 1884 board. They don’t appear to have head stamps on this board.
Another detail I noticed about these boards which I knew one aspect of, is that there are two variations of the 1884 Board. One with this dark background and the other version with a lighter or white background. This is discussed in one of the Goles’ articles in the WACA Journal. But what I didn’t notice before is that the white version has less cartridges on it. The inner circle of cartridges on the dark board has 31 cartridges, were the white board has only 29. You can see where the 40-65 Hotchkiss has been dropped from the board and is not shown. 
This in my opinion based on what is shown on the Jan 1884 Catalog and the September 1884 Catalog, and that these White colored boards are likely later made 1884 Boards. Likely made after September or around the same time frame as the September 1884 Catalog drops the 40-65 Hotchkiss from its listing.
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Maverick
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