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Very interesting similarities gentlemen, as we can see how collecting Winchesters, these other makes and models, can infiltrate into the pictures in our lives, over the years. I don’t thing a person can not pay attention, to the history, of the development, and all the other brands involved. Especially as Oliver Winchester, made it a habit to buy up, or cut out as much competition as was possible, and after his death, that continued.
I remember hearing the words, “Gutta Percha”, years ago, before computers and cell phones, and decided to look it up, in my spare time, in a dictionary. Most have a hard time explaining it or describing what it actually, or where it came from, and even how it came about, especially related to firearms. Like everything else, that too was replaced with another similar kind of material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutta-percha
Anthony
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Edit: writing this post brought back memories of when I examined my first Savage M99 (a .250-3000). A hammerless lever action takedown rifle with a rotary magazine, cartridge counter and cocking indicator on top of the receiver. I was enthralled. Later, the first Savage I ever bought was the identical to what I just described (with a perch belly stock
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You mean one of these?
That is just what I mean. Very nice piece. I also have a fondness for the .250-3000 cartridge and have owned them in a Savage M1920, several Model 99’s, Ruger M77, and two custom rifles. For the times, it was quite the development. And for current times, it remains a very fine deer cartridge. You don’t have to be a Savage collector to want one in your man cave.
In my early history of examining and understanding the rifles that competed with Winchester, I recall a very fun moment with Savage. I think it was at the first gunshow I attended I saw a Savage takedown rifle in a case. There was another barrel with it. It looked a bit different to me and in taking a closer look – it was a .410! I recall a, “what the heck!” reaction and was very intrigued. It has been a fascinating journey
I was thinking about Winchester and its competitors and the timing of similar developments. For example, Marlin started out bringing out centerfire lever action side ejection rifles with their Model 1889. I believe Winchester’s first centerfire side ejection rifle was the Model 88? Another example, you could buy a .410 lever action rifle from Savage when they offered their .410 barrel with their takedown Model 99. Marlin offered a .410 lever action rifle in 1929 when they made slight modification to their Model 93. Winchester waited a good bit longer to bring out their .410 lever – 2001 I believe?
As my preference is for old rifles, I don’t have a Winchester 9410 but I do have a Marlin:
The topic of Marlins brings me to another memory. As I’ve mentioned here, my Dad’s early deer rifle was an ’86 .33 WCF and that rifle basically got me started in this hobby. An event for me was when, in my later teens, I became aware of the Marlin M1895. I had never seen one or knew of them until I purchased Flayderman’s book (in my teens). And imagine my pleasant surprise when I discovered the .33 was a chambering. It took me a while to find one, but then I succeeded (and then some). The Marlin Model 1895 is my favorite Marlin. And of course, it was Marlin’s response to the Winchester Model 1886, chambered in all the ’86 calibers except the .38-70 and the .50’s.
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