November 7, 2015
I’m currently shopping for an insurance policy for my small but growing collection. I’m looking at Steve Boyett’s Arms & Armor as well as CoreVens. Both seem to be good companies.
Any recommendations or experiences, good or bad?
Mike
Look into a floater on your homeowners insurance. It’s often the best deal but you usually have to list anything valued over $2,000. Blanket coverage for any $$$$ amount is cheapest but won’t cover excess over $2,000 on any one piece.
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November 7, 2015
I have unscheduled items coverage but it costs more than the firearms coverage I’m looking at and is less comprehensive. I’ll be talking to my agent this week, maybe he has other options.
Collectibles Insurance out of Maryland.
Found them on Guns International after going round and round with my agent.
I have been with them for 6 yrs after my agent wanted triple and less coverage than CI.
I might add, my agent and I have 30 yrs and many different policies.
The underwriters just wouldn’t work with us….
TXGunNut said
I have unscheduled items coverage but it costs more than the firearms coverage I’m looking at and is less comprehensive. I’ll be talking to my agent this week, maybe he has other options.
Unscheduled s well as floater coverage is supposed to cover everything, including mysterious disappearance.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Mike, I’m not a expert on gun insurance but I have several friends in the business, they tell me they have it for shipping and gun show theft. UPS and FED EX insurance does not cover much even if you pay for the full amount of an expensive gun in many cases they only pay for $500. The old fine print rule, you paid for $5000. to a know nothing clerk but it states on our contract we are only obligated to pay $500. on firearms. Lost or stolen at or to and from a gun show is also a huge concern today. These are two things that are a must to have with any policy, usually they cost very little extra and you will save the shipping insurance fee. The trick is to get a company that will do it without listing all your guns and having them appraised. Remember if it doesn’t say it in your policy you don’t have it, read the exclusions and all fine print, if you have a question have the agent answer it in writing then you don’t have to dance with the devil later. T/R
November 7, 2015
Thanks, TR. That’s pretty much what I’m learning. Neither company supposedly requires me to submit an inventory or appraisal but the Arms & Armor policy doesn’t state it plainly, haven’t seen the other company’s policy yet. Traveling to and attending shows is a major concern for me along with shipping. Lots of exceptions in the section for theft from a vehicle in the A&A policy; can’t be parked on a public thoroughfare and vehicle must be damaged during the theft. Every vehicle burglary I can recall involves damage, usually a broken window, but I can’t rule out a burglar using a slim jim. “Public thoroughfare” is undefined. I would think that means I’d be excluded if parked on the street but some private property could be described as a “public thoroughfare”. I guess I’ll ask for a written definition.
A point of clarification on my previous logs on this matter: the homeowners policy only covers you for personal or hobby use. If you are transporting guns to a show for sale, that is a business venture and not covered by a personal homeowners policy.
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November 7, 2015
Wincacher said
A point of clarification on my previous logs on this matter: the homeowners policy only covers you for personal or hobby use. If you are transporting guns to a show for sale, that is a business venture and not covered by a personal homeowners policy.
That’s true but I think there are still advantages to maintaining some amount of unscheduled coverage,
Haven’t noticed anyone mentioning the NRA: https://mynrainsurance.com/home?utm_source=nra+depl+prod+01-18&utm_medium=email&utm_content=hero+image+link&utm_campaign=nra+depl+jan+product+email&segmentcode=fad04230
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November 7, 2015
I do need to look into the NRA insurance, both insurers I’ve spoken with have talked down the NRA coverage but I’m contrary enough to take a good look at it while I’m at it. They’ve probably been insuring firearms longer than either company I’m considering. Thanks, Wayne.
Folks,
A personal opinion, here, like most everyone. Need to hear from folks that have had a claim or two to really know about the quality of the insurance you may or may not have. Years ago I talked at length to Bob Land, who had had several claims. He recommended a particular insurance company, but of course I no longer recall what he recommended. They settled his claims (disappearances at gun shows) promptly and without questioning the values he had established on his Colts. He was considered by them a very knowledgeable Colts expert. I queried the company, got good answers, but the expense was greater than I had to pay via the particular insurance I do have (through Armed Forces Insurance Exchange). Naturally I have not had a claim so I can not attest how well they will settle should I have one. They do cover me enroute to shows, and at the show, as long as I am not in the business of selling firearms. Supposedly an occasional sale is permitted, but again, until I have a claim I won’t know just how good of insurance I have.
Anyway, I would try to reach out to see about experiences folks have had with claims first, then consider the various hoops needed to satisfy the underwriters. I have had NRA plus other floaters in the past, and it became problematic obtaining individual values by having appraisals for individual items worth over a set amount (seems it used to be $2000). One of them I had had required photos of the more expensive, itemized pieces as well. Currently I have to maintain a good inventory and list what I paid and when I paid it (which I have always done for myself anyway). I keep that inventory in the bank lock box and update it every so often (less often of late). The description and history will be used to determine the credible value after a loss. May be an easy task, may be difficult.
The Chrysler 300 Club has these discussions every few years, too. Everyone touts their individual choice, but the ones that have had a claim and can address how well (or not) it was handled are who get the attention of the others listening. Bob Land used to come to Cody, but quit some years ago. There must have been others in WACA that have had claims, though.
Tim
November 7, 2015
Thanks, everyone. It seems Arms & Armor offers a more comprehensive policy with lower deductibles at a slightly higher cost. CoreVens made me a very attractive proposal but in my case A&A is a better fit for my needs.
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