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 I think most anyone who owns multiple long guns at some point has “run out of space” in their safe. This age old problem always leads to the “I need a new safe” or “can I modify the interior” of this one to pack more guns inside questions. The answer to the second question is generally no, volume is finite. My question here, though, is has anyone tried changing the racks to hold the firearms in a muzzle down position. “Why would I want to do that” comes to mind. Answer, to keep migrating lube from soaking into wooden stocks.

 I’ve been cautioned about this problem by many, many, old timers many times. I think I have solved this problem by using Ren Wax on my guns and using “dry” lube such as graphite, Dry White teflon, and Brownell’s Action Magic II for action lubrication. The question of muzzle down storage still remains though. What are your thoughts? Just wondering.

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Mike,

  I use and like “muzzle down”.  My safe accommodates that on the front row.

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  Mike, I use muzzle down, in a sock, no divider, golden rod, and wax. T/R

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I removed all the racks from my safe and stack them in butt down in a sock.

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Both.  Mostly butt down but if you intersperse a few muzzle down you can fit more in.

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Been there, dealt with that.  All good replies/ideas.  Was VERY apprehensive about leaving anything stored in any type of covering, etc. until I learned of Bore Stores protective coverings (gun socks). 

Long arms can SAFELY and conveniently be stacked any way practical (I alternate muzzle up, muzzle down to maximize space in safe).  Pack ’em in like sardines; no worries.  They have I.D. labels which can be written on in order to locate what I’m looking for quickly without having to take out & open every sock.  They are also great for enhancing transportation, etc. 

Thick, well-made, quality products.  IMHO great investment.    

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You can buy’em right here 3 for $20 and support WACA

https://winchestercollector.org/store/

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Was VERY apprehensive about leaving anything stored in any type of covering, etc. until I learned of Bore Stores protective coverings (gun socks). 

     

I live in a climate only slightly less humid than the tropics.  The sump pump in my basement runs all yr long, & right now, as usual in the Spring, I hear it cycle on every half hour at least.  I use ordinary soft cases in a heated space (Golden Rods & light bulbs)–no rust problems after 40 yrs, & counting.  But I will pick up some Bore Stores, as I need more cases.

I also store bore down to maximize my limited space.

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Bob,

  Just purchased 6 gun socks, just so you know.

 Like most of you I too store mine both muzzle down and butt down, mostly for space reasons. I have found that grouping helps, as in bolt actions in one group, scoped in another, levers and autos, etc. I do know that the usual safe manufacture’s capacity figures are invariably on the high side, I think they must use skinny guns when they figure out their stacking patterns. Guess I’ll start removing the “guts” from one of my safes tomorrow. Right now I’m going to try to temper a spring, just to see if I can do it.Confused That video has me curious about my abilities.

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I use ordinary soft cases in a heated space (Golden Rods & light bulbs)–no rust problems after 40 yrs, & counting.  

I too use GoldenRods, and have to run a de-humidifier in the room approx. 8 months of the year.  I also monitor the atmosphere inside the safe via hygrometer/thermometer units.  Has worked for a long time…& counting.    

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 Gun safe placement is another subject but related. If you have a basement, placing the safe in a corner gives you two cold walls in case of fire. The down side in a basement is water issues, so elevating the safe and storing barrel down can be advantages. T/R

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 Gun safe placement is another subject but related. If you have a basement, placing the safe in a corner gives you two cold walls in case of fire. The down side in a basement is water issues, so elevating the safe and storing barrel down can be advantages. T/R  

Caution, basement placement of a gun safe has the danger of complete loss when the fire department fills the basement with a large amount of water and the safe sealing didn’t activate because it never got hot enough. Another problem …it maybe be quite a while before you can get to your safe. You may have to wait until the officials declare the home is safe to enter and if the fire is bad enough, the structure may need to be removed before the basement is accessible.  Personally I would place a gun safe in a basement or in an area where, if the floor support burns, the safe would end up there as its weight may cause burnt beams to fail.  Other options may differ. 

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Vince said

Caution, basement placement of a gun safe has the danger of complete loss when the fire department fills the basement with a large amount of water and the safe sealing didn’t activate because it never got hot enough. Another problem …it maybe be quite a while before you can get to your safe. You may have to wait until the officials declare the home is safe to enter and if the fire is bad enough, the structure may need to be removed before the basement is accessible.  Personally I would place a gun safe in a basement or in an area where, if the floor support burns, the safe would end up there as its weight may cause burnt beams to fail.  Other options may differ.   

I will gamble on the water in the basement from a fire but a safe on a upstairs  floor in a wood structure is a guaranteed loss. Even a fireproof safe can only handle the temperature for a limited time generally 1/2 hour. I know of a guy that lost all his guns that were stored upstairs in a safe from a fire while they were gone and the fire never got reported until a neighbor saw the glow at night. If the fire dept get their right away then your gun will survive but still will have smoke damage unless you have a air seal on the door along with the fire seal.

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I will gamble on the water in the basement from a fire but a safe on a upstairs  floor in a wood structure is a guaranteed loss. Even a fireproof safe can only handle the temperature for a limited time generally 1/2 hour. I know of a guy that lost all his guns that were stored upstairs in a safe from a fire while they were gone and the fire never got reported until a neighbor saw the glow at night. If the fire dept get their right away then your gun will survive but still will have smoke damage unless you have a air seal on the door along with the fire seal.

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Sounds like my habit of leaning guns in corners is just about as safe as a safe. That is why God put corners in houses isn’t it?  I do have a couple of safes and do put guns in them when I leave the house, which I don’t often do, but I like to look at the things. That’s why I buy them. (the guns, not the safes)

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I had Liberty Safe make new racks for me that helped accommodate more rifles.  Socks are great if they are breathable.  In socks you can pack things tighter.

I don’t worry about oil damage because I don’t over oil my guns.  I have things up, down and sideways in the safe.

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I’ve heard silicone socks and silicone clothes are not good for wood.  I thought I read that once you get the silicone on the wood, you’re not going to get it off.

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