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TR said
Rick,
Your statement is flawed, you do not refer to bullet weight, size, powder type, and all other varibles that influence chamber pressure. Velocity is not the only factor. I assume you were referring to factory 44-40 ammo. I told you what I do and I make no recommendation. You have to make your own decision! T/R
Sorry T/R I’m referring to Remington or any other factory 44-40 200gr jacketed ammo with a 1190 fps rating. Bert is confident in saying it’s fine, as has Bob by saying it’s all he shoots in his 73’s. I just wanted to see how many others agree…or disagree I guess.
RickC
RickC(AG) said
Sorry T/R I’m referring to Remington or any other factory 44-40 200gr jacketed ammo with a 1190 fps rating. Bert is confident in saying it’s fine, as has Bob by saying it’s all he shoots in his 73’s. I just wanted to see how many others agree…or disagree I guess.
RickC
It sounds like your looking for a guaranty. I’m not giving you a guaranty that something bad will not happen since these are old guns and I don’t know the condition of your gun. I’m just saying what I’ve done but I know the condition of my guns. You need to take your gun to a qualified gunsmith and get it checked out.
Bob
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I understand Bob. I’m not holding anyone to a liability issue. There isn’t much more a gun smith could tell me about my gun unless getting all my pre 1899 guns bore scoped or magnafluxed is common practice for collectors. Not in my stable anyway. I’m fine ending this thread right here. Appreciate all the advise.
RickC
RickC(AG) said
So just to conclude, is everyone in agreement 1190 fps at the muzzle is fine to shoot thru a 73 if the rifle is sound ?RickC
I thought I had posted something but maybe it went on the wrong topic? The factory black powder loads were 1310 FPS. But as TR said black powder has a smoother pressure curve where as the modern powder hits the peak quicker. FPS is only one indicator of pressure.
TXGunNut said
Chris is correct, Tom @ Accurate makes some fantastic custom moulds but I’m not aware of any heeled bullet moulds in his “catalog”. I feel pretty sure that it’s something he can do as he makes gas checked bullet moulds. I don’t believe he can make a hollow base but it won’t hurt to ask.
Mike
I have talked to Tom. They do make heeled bullet molds but not anything in .445″ diameter. Regular .429″ bullets will rattle down the barrel. I have these and have heeled them. I would try anything that starts with .44????” I have all kinds of .452″ to .459″ bullets. I guess I could cut these down to the correct length/weight, diameter and heel.
Chuck said
I have talked to Tom. They do make heeled bullet molds but not anything in .445″ diameter. Regular .429″ bullets will rattle down the barrel. I have these and have heeled them. I would try anything that starts with .44????” I have all kinds of .452″ to .459″ bullets. I guess I could cut these down to the correct length/weight, diameter and heel.
Not sure if you could size your bullets down enough from .459 to .445 using a bullet sizing die or not. May be a bit too much lead to try to move. You can special order bullet sizing die kit from Lee to whatever diameter you want. I did so for my 38-55 bullets in .381. But again, not sure if you could move that much lead. Maybe if you cast a .452 bullet, would get you closer. Just a thought. Or if you have an existing bullet to the right specifications, could Tom make a mold for it using the bullet you provide??
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Chuck said
I have talked to Tom. They do make heeled bullet molds but not anything in .445″ diameter. Regular .429″ bullets will rattle down the barrel. I have these and have heeled them. I would try anything that starts with .44????” I have all kinds of .452″ to .459″ bullets. I guess I could cut these down to the correct length/weight, diameter and heel.
I would e-mail him with your specifications.
Mike
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RickC(AG) said
I understand Bob. I’m not holding anyone to a liability issue. There isn’t much more a gun smith could tell me about my gun unless getting all my pre 1899 guns bore scoped or magnafluxed is common practice for collectors. Not in my stable anyway. I’m fine ending this thread right here. Appreciate all the advise.RickC
As I understand it, Rick, BP has a gentler pressure curve than smokeless. The guns that were designed to fire BP are all over 100 years old now and likely have been fired with smokeless, quite possibly over pressure loads from time to time. We don’t know. Winchester and all the other gun makers developed a special steel for smokeless. The only “safe” loads for a firearm designed for BP is BP or a load that mimics the pressures of BP…providing that firearm hasn’t been fired with smokeless. There are no guarantees when shooting old guns. Sometimes old guns go from together to apart in a few milliseconds and no one knows why. Sometimes people die. All I can say is that I’d rather die at the shooting bench than get run over by some millennial texting behind the wheel of a speeding crossover SUV. Quite honestly I feel pretty safe at the shooting bench with my 100 year old Winchesters.
Mike
TXGunNut said
As I understand it, Rick, BP has a gentler pressure curve than smokeless. The guns that were designed to fire BP are all over 100 years old now and likely have been fired with smokeless, quite possibly over pressure loads from time to time. We don’t know. Winchester and all the other gun makers developed a special steel for smokeless. The only “safe” loads for a firearm designed for BP is BP or a load that mimics the pressures of BP…providing that firearm hasn’t been fired with smokeless. There are no guarantees when shooting old guns. Sometimes old guns go from together to apart in a few milliseconds and no one knows why. Sometimes people die. All I can say is that I’d rather die at the shooting bench than get run over by some millennial texting behind the wheel of a speeding crossover SUV. Quite honestly I feel pretty safe at the shooting bench with my 100 year old Winchesters.
Mike
Can’t argue with that Mike. I’ve decided to go with the lead cowboy loads just to be safe. 750 fps.
RickC
1892takedown said
Chuck said
I have talked to Tom. They do make heeled bullet molds but not anything in .445″ diameter. Regular .429″ bullets will rattle down the barrel. I have these and have heeled them. I would try anything that starts with .44????” I have all kinds of .452″ to .459″ bullets. I guess I could cut these down to the correct length/weight, diameter and heel.
Not sure if you could size your bullets down enough from .459 to .445 using a bullet sizing die or not. May be a bit too much lead to try to move. You can special order bullet sizing die kit from Lee to whatever diameter you want. I did so for my 38-55 bullets in .381. But again, not sure if you could move that much lead. Maybe if you cast a .452 bullet, would get you closer. Just a thought. Or if you have an existing bullet to the right specifications, could Tom make a mold for it using the bullet you provide??
Chris I do have some cast .452″ bullets. I need to talk to Lee. I have the bullets I pulled from the cases but each is a different design, UMC. I really don’t want to pull one of the New Haven or Winchester rounds apart but I might have to if I cross section a piece of brass.
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