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This will be my first time to attend Cody in any capacity… I’ve read the rules and understand, but from the standpoint of “what’s on the table” what is acceptable and what is frowned upon?  I’ve got parts/sights/vintage optics & vintage Winchester items that I know will be acceptable.  I have center fire & rim fire bolt action rifles… a few lever & slide action rifles, pump shotguns & double barrels.  I know Winchesters will be fine, but what about Remington & Savage rifles & Parker doubles?   I have older Smith & Wesson & Colt revolvers and a few WWII era German military pistols… this is where I’m not confident… Also, are there FFL’s that are willing to do transfers for out of state table holders?  I don’t want to cause any problems… thanks for input & guidance… looking forward to the show.   

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Hi Ben,

Excellent questions!  Yes, there is usually a local FFL at the show willing to do transfers.

Vinny can give you a definitive answer on your old S&W revolvers and WWII German firearms but they sure sound like they fall into the “collectable” category to me.  I have seen your tables at many other shows and don’t recall anything on them that would violate the WACA rules or even the intent of the rules.

For a refresher to all exhibitors, here are the WACA Show Rules as listed on the table application form:

WACA Show Rules

Rules of Exhibits
1. Only antique or old collectable firearms may be displayed, with the following exceptions:
    Directly related items such as knives, swords, badges, or other makes of guns historically associated.
    Holster, belts, cases, and other items of accessory.
    Any other item manufactured by Winchester and considered collectible.
    Books, catalogues, advertising and pamphlets about Winchester firearms or products.

2. Guns of current manufacture must fall in a collectible category.  Collectability will be determined by the Show Manager with the concurrence of one Officer or Director.

3. Fully automatic guns are allowed only by prior approval of the Show Manager. Only those considered collectible can be approved.

4. Guidelines for selection of Display Judges:

    (a) May not have display in competition and

    (b) Must have knowledge and experience in Winchester collecting.

5. The policy of WACA is to promote and encourage ethical behavior on behalf of the members of the Association and to that end, compliance with the following STATEMENT OF CONDUCT is expected:

That any WACA member will never knowingly sell or display a Winchester firearm that has had any or all of the following modifications without full disclosure as to same:
    Wholly or partially refinished and/or remarked
    Having major parts replaced, embellished or altered.
    This is to say that the authenticity of any Winchester firearm will not be misrepresented either through alteration without                          disclosure, or through false representation of rarity or historical significance.

6. Show table rental will be based on acceptance of the above conditions; non-compliance will cancel rental agreement and may result in removal from the show.

 

Safety and Security Rules

1. Alcoholic beverages and smoking are prohibited.

2. The show management reserve the right to deny rental space to anyone at their discretion.

3. The show management, producers, sponsors, staff, agents, and/or individuals, employees, are not responsible for any injury, loss, or damage, for any cause whatsoever that may be incurred by an exhibitor, his employees, guests, or property in his, or their possession.

4. The exhibitor releases the show management, WACA, its sponsors, staff, agents, and/or individuals, and employees, from liability, for any injury, loss, or damage.

5. A firearms inspector will be on duty during public hours. Delivery of goods to the show site is strictly the sole responsibility of the exhibitor.

6. Each exhibitor shall be responsible for his/her firearms and must have checked each one to ensure that it is unloaded.

7. Semi-automatic pistols that are displayed in the open must have a spacer between bolt and chamber. The spacer can be cardboard, plastic, wood, or any suitable material. Magazine need not be removed. This does not apply to new cased commemoratives or other boxed or cased guns.

8. No gun powder, loose ammunition, explosives, flammable material, primers, or gas shells may be brought into the show. Ammunition considered in the discretion of the Show Manager to be collectors’ ammunition is permitted, provided it is exhibited in a manner to avoid handling by the public. All ammunition must be in an original box, sealed container, or under cover (i.e., lidded showcase). Collector cartridges may be exempted by show safety personnel.

9. No pet animals may be brought into the show without prior approval of the Arena Management and Show Manager.

10. No cartridge or charge may be placed in a firearm inside the Arena.

11. All exhibitors must have their firearms checked by a security officer or club officer and comply with all other safety rules. All cartridge firearms brought into the Show by members, guests or the public shall be checked, cleared and tied in an inoperable position prior to being brought into the show.

12. The Show Manager or any other Club Officer may, at his/her discretion, enforce the removal of any item that he deems hazardous to safety or security.

13. No exhibitor may be expelled from the show unless:
      He/she refuses to comply with the rules after being reminded.
      A loaded firearm is found in his/her area.
      He/she is loud, disorderly, or otherwise disruptive to the show.

14. An expelled exhibitor, member, or guest may appeal to the President for a review by the Board of Directors. The decision of the Board shall be final. The person expelled may reapply to enter the show after one year following the incident.

15. Each exhibitor is responsible for the security of his/her valuables and shall take reasonable care to prevent theft or damage of them.

16. Policies on strapping of guns:
Trade tables – All cartridge guns that are on a trade table will be strapped. It does not matter if the cartridge gun is “not for sale,” or for “display only “or “locked in a case if it is a cartridge gun, on a trade table, it will be strapped. No exceptions!
Display tables – All cartridge-guns that are accessible on a display table will be strapped. Accessible means that someone can actually pick up the gun from the table or take it down from the display. If the display is behind glass, or if the guns are mounted in such a fashion that they cannot be easily removed from the display, then they need not be strapped. If in doubt, displayers should check with the Show Manager.

 

Additional Show Rules

1. WACA will require a signed contract from each and every exhibitor which includes requiring compliance with all applicable federal, state, and local laws.

2. Unclaimed tables as of 9 am Friday will revert back to WACA and are subject to resale unless prior arrangements have been made with the Show Manager.

3. Leaving early on Sunday is highly discouraged. Check with the Show Manager if you need to leave early.

4. WACA will make available to all exhibitors any information provided by ATF or state or local law enforcement agencies relating to applicable laws, including ATF “Notice to Dealers” and ATF guidelines.

5. No loaded firearms or loaded magazines or clips will be permitted in the show at any time by anyone other than law enforcement personnel or show security.

6. All cartridge firearms, other than those which are disassembled or those in a glass display case, must be checked, cleared and secured with a cable tie by the dealer before placing them on display at the show.

7. Knives and cutlery will be considered collectible.

8. Ammunition will be allowed for sale only if it is discontinued ammunition in older boxes.

9. Commemorative ammunition will also be allowed if it is in a caliber that fits a Winchester firearm.

10. Display cases will be allowed even if they are not built by Winchester or under Winchester contract. This will include Frenchfitted cases, drape-fitted cases or cases that have only a foam insert. NO safes or gun cabinets will be allowed for sale.

11. WACA does not discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, color, national origin, gender, disability, veteran status, or age in the administration of any of its membership policies nor in connection with any aspect of its events, its admissions policies, or any other aspect of its management and operation.

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June 8, 2023 - 8:05 pm
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Ben:

Your table items (gun, parts and accessories) look fine to me except for the German items.  Best to leave those at home along with any jerky, jewelry and survival food.

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Ben:

I stand corrected.  WWII German military pistols are AOK.  They fit the ATF “collectible” criteria by being over 50 years old.  Helmets probably are questionable, however. 

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Never mentioned anything about jerky, jewelry, survival food or German helmets… I did think my question was pretty specific, thanks JWA for your insights.  As for the other response, I guess that must pass for Oregon humor…

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Rick forgot to mention no Beanie Babies also. 🙂

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Yes Ben, just my attempt at humor.  Certainly meant no offence.  I look forward to meeting you in Cody and checking out your tables!

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This is an excellent topic.  It is sometimes hard to decide what to take to a show or what is acceptable.  This last May, was my 29th year setting up at the CGCA show in Denver, ah, Colo. Sprs., ah, Greeley.  This show has always been very firm on what is modern and or collectable.  However, the Greeley show had several tables with modern handguns (Rugers and S&W) and a number of modern rifles, reloading dies and powder.  I don’t want to see this Antique and Collectable show turned into a flea market.

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JWA said
2. Guns of current manufacture must fall in a collectible category.  Collectability will be determined by the Show Manager with the concurrence of one Officer or Director.

 

As written, leaves a lot of latitude for potential disagreement.  Are foreign-made repros acceptable?  That a great many folks “collect” them is indisputable.

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I used to see Lou would walk his show in Reno and make people take certain items off their tables.  I liked that.  Haven’t been to Reno since my traveling partner passed away.

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Lou Fascio still walks around the Reno show… only now, he’s trying to figure out why so many tables are empty.  I’ve been doing Reno since 1998…the decline has been startling.  I had traveled & set up with Glen Mattox, Big Mitch Lutich, Doc Jim Watson & Chad McDonough.  All very well known within the national gun show circuit.  Sadly, they all have passed during the last two years.  I have been driving myself since last fall…I still have four tables at Reno and it’s one of my better shows.  Buying and selling are still very good.  Yes, the CGCA show in Greeley was off (buying & selling) from the last two years in Colorado Springs.  I don’t imagine it will ever return to the glory days of the Business Mart in Denver years… still, I’ll be back next year.  My 3 tables are paid for and my hotel too. I would seriously recommend anyone thinking of going to Greeley next year start looking for hotel rooms now, for whatever reason, most already show no vacancy for that week.  I ended up booking in Lakeland about 15 miles to the West.  I have fond memories of the Tulsa show too, it was amazing, now it’s gone the way of most gunshows, tables of China junk knives & scopes, jewelry, beanie babys, beef jerkey and survival food, safes, stinky candles, candy… throw in people trying to clean your glasses, etc. I fully agree, that “Flea market” is the proper term for what is infecting our hobby.       

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Ben Tolson said I have fond memories of the Tulsa show too, it was amazing, now it’s gone the way of most gunshows, tables of China junk knives & scopes, jewelry, beanie babys, beef jerkey and survival food, safes, stinky candles, candy… throw in people trying to clean your glasses, etc. I fully agree, that “Flea market” is the proper term for what is infecting our hobby.       
  

I’d hold still for the glass-cleaning guy!  One of the busiest tables at a show I once (40 yrs ago) attended twice a yr did nothing but sharpen pocket knife blades, & he always got mine.  No mystery why once great shows have deteriorated into flea mkts: on-line selling. 

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As a vintage knife collector, I always cringed seeing the knife sharpening guys “grind away” on wonderful old knives.  There were some who knew what they were doing, but most were only destroying the blades & values.  Much like letting a friend “re-blue” your rifle… never gonna happen.    

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Ben Tolson said
As a vintage knife collector, I always cringed seeing the knife sharpening guys “grind away” on wonderful old knives.  There were some who knew what they were doing, but most were only destroying the blades & values.  Much like letting a friend “re-blue” your rifle… never gonna happen.    

  

No wonderful old knives in my pockets!  I finally stopped carrying my father’s old Case after I thought I’d lost it, as I did loose several others.

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Looking forward to meeting you and perusing your offerings, Ben. I don’t believe anyone will have a problem with the items you mentioned and if there is a problem it will be handled in a professional manner, I think we’re all excited to have a new table holder with the items you’ve mentioned. Safe travels, see you in Cody!

 

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