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July 7, 2026
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Howdy,
Pretty new member of WACA and am pleased to learn that WACA is associated with the CMP in that purchases for surplus Garands etc can be done with WACA membership. I am wondering if anyone has experience using that benefit. I have been a member of the Garand Collectors Association for more than 20 years so am very familiar with how CMP sales works. GCA membership satisfied one of the requirements to purchase from CMP. What’s your experience using WACA membership?
Honest Jon
July 17, 2012
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Hi Honest Jon,
Welcome to WACA! I have made many, many purchases through the CMP and your WACA membership card works exactly like your Garand Collectors Association card/letter. You simply upload a copy of it with your purchase application just like you did with the GCA card/letter. Everything else is the same.
I am also a member of both organizations (GCA and WACA). We are looking forward to your participation in the Winchester forum here, especially the Winchester Military section. We are all anxiously awaiting the CMP release of the M14’s and Riot/Trench guns next year.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
July 7, 2026
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Thank you for the warm welcome from you and others in WACA! I’m glad to hear that the WACA connection is seamless for making purchases from CMP. It has been an adventure for me with CMP and many years ago managed to snag a Winny M1 Carbine known as a Bavarian. These were issued to police, game wardens, forest rangers and the like right after the war. Many, like mine, came from Austria. Pretty interesting that we defeated our enemies and then issued them our own weapons to help them get back on their feet!
Jon
July 17, 2012
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Yep, it was a crazy world back then and even crazier today!
It sounds like we were both fishing in the same pool at the same time. I was also lucky enough to snag one of the Bavarian Winchester Carbines and then also ended up with the one my buddy bought and then subsequently couldn’t afford. He had plenty of money, he just couldn’t afford to lose his wife 😉
Mine are both in the 128,xxxx range, is yours in that same ballpark? I sure wish we had those CMP prices again…..
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
November 7, 2015
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I’ve perused the CMP site a few times, not sure what to think of it. I’m assuming the M14’s and Tench Guns will most likely be refurbished with little collector value. Is there a collector value for these guns? it would be nice if some were unissued or not in need of refurbishing but it’s hard to say at this time. I had a chance to buy some CMP M1 Carbines and M1-A’s awhile back and values seemed quite strong for what I felt was a shooter grade gun because of the extensive repairs. Are the rules different in the Milsurp world?
Mike
July 17, 2012
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Yes, to some extent the rules are different in the mil-surp world. I agree the CMP prices have gone up significantly but here is the rub, the M14s will not only be legit issued weapons but they will have been converted to semi-auto so they are legal to own which cannot normally be done under the current law (ATF ruling “once a machine gun, always a machine gun”), the CMP has a Congressional charter that will allow them to do it. I dare you to try to find a Winchester M14, either full auto or semi-auto for anything approaching a reasonable price.
Here is one I was watching at RIA, it went for $47K, well over RIA’s estimate so I am not the only mil-surp Winchester geek out there.
So, I will be happy to get a “real” issued M14, albeit it semi-auto converted, for a small fraction of that. The CMP is usually accurate on their grading and condition descriptions.
I am guessing the shotguns will have had a hard life, having been in military or police service from day 1. I doubt there will be anything close to “collector” grade but then again, they are legit, just like some people will pay more for a Winchester with saddle scabbard wear that was carried by a cowboy. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
For the really good or rare stuff they put it on auction on the site to gain the most profit. Their proceeds go towards supporting our national shooting sports, especially the youth programs. Where do RIA, Redding, Wards, etc. proceeds go? I don’t mind paying a couple extra $$ to support a good cause.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
July 7, 2026
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Compared to the M1 Garands that the CMP is now offering that have “reclaimed” receivers, the M14’s will not. They will be as issued except for the disabling of the automatic feature. Without that these would never be offered to the general public. Plus, it sounds like the initial offering will be under $2000 which I believe is less than most expected.
Jon
July 17, 2012
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Yes, the $2K number is the one I heard also, that is a bargain in my opinion since that is the same as the commercial “standard issue” M1A is going for nowadays.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series-rifles/m1a-loaded-rifles/m1a-loaded-308-rifle/
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
November 7, 2015
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If I remember correctly that RIA sale had several NFA weapons, both C&R, some modern and most or all went over the estimate by a good bit. Hard not to wonder what the latest CMP offering will do to the M14 market. Up until now it has been a very exclusive market. I wonder if we’ll be seeing any 20mm ordnance on the CMP site. They had a few at that sale, IIRC. I have an idea for a feral hog hunt that will drive PETA off the cliff.
Mike
July 17, 2012
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I doubt you will ever see 20mm from the CMP. Their initial Congressional charter limited the CMP to .30 cal or .22 caliber firearms only. It took several years of lobbying for Congress to allow them a one time variance for the surplus .45 cal 1911s.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
November 7, 2015
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I’m obviously not a mil-surp guy! When I heard they were finally going to offer the 1911 I remembered a few decades back when I was asked to help qualify some local clerical employees of a federal alphabet agency. All had to qualify with the 1911 and some had to qualify with the M16. I was pretty disappointed with the 1911 targets until I was asked to help dispose of the surplus ammo. Those poor 1911’s were so loose I was suddenly proud of the scores those desk jockeys turned in! I’m an unabashed fan of the 1911 but I’ll want one that will put hits on target instead of the approximate Zip Code. I’m very much in favor of the CMP program but will have to study a bit before trying to acquire a firearm from them. Seems they have some good ammo deals now and then.
Mike
November 9, 2008
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The last time I purchased anything from the DCM was in 1997 when they had a lottery for M1Ds and I got one for 650 and was a gem, appears unissued, a couple of gun club buddies that got them, were a little used with some bumps and a little finish wear. Those M14s and 97s sound interesting. It appears to be the luck of the draw with condition. I purchased 2 M1 carbines off an old Korean war vet at my club years ago, he had purchased from DCM in 1962-63, one a rebuild with a rack number on it and the other a late war Winchester like new. You can get lucky and get a gem
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