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Winchester Model 70 9mm Carbine Super Rare! for sale (gunsinternational.com)
Lou,
2 in one week show up for sale.
Did you notice that the proofmarks don’t match? Also, the caliber stamping looks questionable to me. Compare the caliber stamping to the ones in Rule’s book.
Steve
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Standard abbreviation for “millimeter” since creation of the metric system has always been “MM” or “mm.” So why the slash mark?
Dana-
IMHO that one is not right. Proofs don’t match, barrel roll markings (left/right) were not made with Winchester dies, caliber stamp is wrong, and I don’t think the ramp stippling is correct either. I’d bet the under barrel caliber stamp is wrong too… Add to all that, according to my records S/N 20011 was a 30 GOV’T’06 Standard Rifle when Dave Morris (Frontier Guns) sold it via Guns International in 2021… 
Here are some pics of S/N 20011 as a 30 GOV’T’06. You’ll note that it was a type I-2 (no pin in the bolt sleeve) back then too:
Clarence-
Winchester apparently didn’t adhere to the “MM” abbreviation for M70 caliber stamps, for whatever reason. I know all 9 M/M and 7.65 M/M barrels are suspect, but the marking used for the somewhat more common 7×57 Mauser chambering was 7 M/M. This one, Carbine S/N 66220, pictured in Whitaker’s book is probably correct:
Be Careful Out There…
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
I have no idea why Winchester used the slash mark. I do know that the mark Winchester used was longer and the 9 was a slightly different font, at least based on the Rule pictures, and that is assuming they are original. They used the same slash on the 7mm and 7.65mm.
Steve
Louis Luttrell said Add to all that, according to my records S/N 20011 was a 30 GOV’T’06 Standard Rifle when Dave Morris (Frontier Guns) sold it via Guns International in 2021…
What a shame! And I was hoping it would be “the model 70 you build a collection off of.” I like to start at the top.
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