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pdog72 said
Clarence,
Sometimes it’s worth your time to actually dig a little deeper before taking a hard stance on something.
Taking a “hard stance” on anything was certainly not my intention, but the description I read & quoted from the original link did not include the statement about refinishing contained in the second link you provided. Why there should be any difference between the two links, someone else will have to explain.
TXGunNut said
I’m probably a shotgun man, Chuck. I’m never more than a few steps from a Winchester 1300 Riot Gun and I shoot a round of skeet with one of them several times a year. There may or may not be a few 1911’s and God forbid quite possibly a black rifle around but unexpected visitors will likely have to deal with gazing into a .729” abyss. And yes, I’ve competed extensively with all three.
Mike
Me too. I keep a 12 ga. brush gun nearby loaded with #2 steel. I have put many hundreds of rounds through this gun and could shoot it blind folded.
January 26, 2011
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clarence said
pdog72 said
Clarence,
Sometimes it’s worth your time to actually dig a little deeper before taking a hard stance on something.
Taking a “hard stance” on anything was certainly not my intention, but the description I read & quoted from the original link did not include the statement about refinishing contained in the second link you provided. Why there should be any difference between the two links, someone else will have to explain.
Understood Clarence. And I wondered the same thing about their auction listing vs. the Proxibid verbiage. That gun just looked redone to me, even from the marginal pictures. Once I realized it was a 1903 vintage rifle, I questioned the case-hardened frame as well. Anyway, it quickly revealed that it was not something I was interested in, although I am looking for a nice low wall in a common caliber you could find some ammo for. Maybe Roger will sell me his for half price.
~Gary~
If you look at pics, the wood doesn’t fit good also the shape of stock is not right around the butt plate, it appears to be a semi- finished stock that wasn’t fitted to butt correctly and forearm doesn’t fit frame. There were a few other refinished guns in that auction, a poorly done Marlin 1895 that fetched $1650 with juice and tax it would be just over 2000. I like those big Marlins, but way high for a refinished one. (CR) Marlin Model 1895 40-65 Rifle | Guns & Military Artifacts Rifles Lever Action Rifles | Online Auctions | Proxibid
Bert H. said
Roger,Because you asked, I went and found you another 44 WCF low-wall rifle that is available;
Now that I was finally able to look at this rifle on my computer monitor, it’s completely obvious that the case colouring is not factory. Not so evident on the phone. Having said that, even on a computer, what awful photographs this auction house provided. If there was any question as to the case colouring being original or not, the 6 photographs provided do not provide any insight as to whether or not wood and the barrel have been refinished or not.
How were any of you able to see an expanded description? The description I have doesn’t even indicate a serial number and, before being able to look at the photographs of the receiver, IF the rifle was deemed to be factory original and since it is listed as C & R, the assumption (and you all know what the word assume means?) is that it was serialized to a date corresponding to between January 1899 (the end of true antique status) and August 1901 (when case coloured receivers were discontinued and blued ones became standard).
I should add, what a downright awful case colouring job!
Far from being “a good deal” as the price initially suggested (how often does that happen in on-line auctions?), it’s now apparent that an inexperienced collector bought a pig in a poke.
clarence said
Far from being “a good deal” as the price initially suggested (how often does that happen in on-line auctions?), it’s now apparent that an inexperienced collector bought a pig in a poke.
AGREED!
January 26, 2011
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mrcvs said
Bert H. said
Roger,
Because you asked, I went and found you another 44 WCF low-wall rifle that is available;
Now that I was finally able to look at this rifle on my computer monitor, it’s completely obvious that the case colouring is not factory. Not so evident on the phone. Having said that, even on a computer, what awful photographs this auction house provided. If there was any question as to the case colouring being original or not, the 6 photographs provided do not provide any insight as to whether or not wood and the barrel have been refinished or not.
How were any of you able to see an expanded description? The description I have doesn’t even indicate a serial number and, before being able to look at the photographs of the receiver, IF the rifle was deemed to be factory original and since it is listed as C & R, the assumption (and you all know what the word assume means?) is that it was serialized to a date corresponding to between January 1899 (the end of true antique status) and August 1901 (when case coloured receivers were discontinued and blued ones became standard).
I should add, what a downright awful case colouring job!
Ian,
Here’s the link again …… As discussed, it’s a 1903 rifle that’s been completely redone. Re-blued barrel, Cased receiver (that shouldn’t have been), refinished wood, later tang sight. From across the street, it looked pretty good. 
(CR) Winchester Model 1885 Low Wall .44 WCF Rifle | Pa Auction Center (hibid.com)
~Gary~
pdog72 said
mrcvs said
Bert H. said
Roger,
Because you asked, I went and found you another 44 WCF low-wall rifle that is available;
Now that I was finally able to look at this rifle on my computer monitor, it’s completely obvious that the case colouring is not factory. Not so evident on the phone. Having said that, even on a computer, what awful photographs this auction house provided. If there was any question as to the case colouring being original or not, the 6 photographs provided do not provide any insight as to whether or not wood and the barrel have been refinished or not.
How were any of you able to see an expanded description? The description I have doesn’t even indicate a serial number and, before being able to look at the photographs of the receiver, IF the rifle was deemed to be factory original and since it is listed as C & R, the assumption (and you all know what the word assume means?) is that it was serialized to a date corresponding to between January 1899 (the end of true antique status) and August 1901 (when case coloured receivers were discontinued and blued ones became standard).
I should add, what a downright awful case colouring job!
Ian,
Here’s the link again …… As discussed, it’s a 1903 rifle that’s been completely redone. Re-blued barrel, Cased receiver (that shouldn’t have been), refinished wood, later tang sight. From across the street, it looked pretty good.
(CR) Winchester Model 1885 Low Wall .44 WCF Rifle | Pa Auction Center (hibid.com)
At a bare minimum, a quality auction house needs to provide clear, distinct, and close up photographs of the action and all markings, as well as a complete photograph of the entire firearm in clear resolution. It’s enough of a gamble without having a firearm in hand to begin with to bid based on photographs alone, failure to provide clear and distinct photographs causes the auction house to lose my business completely.
I’m rarely a buyer of Winchester rifles these days. Too much monkey business with them as of late.
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