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I picked up this little rifle in Nov. of 2003.  According to the ‘caliber production records’ 3,875 have been documented in this caliber.  I wouldn’t consider it to be a rare rifle, but I can only recall one other in this caliber.  Have I just missed some? The serial number is 110222.  Thanks, RDB

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Roger,

Yes, you have undoubtedly missed many of them.  Over the past 40-years, I have had my hands on at least (100) of them.  The rarest was a high-wall SRC with a 20-inch No. 2 round barrel.  Another was a Take Down (low-wall) with a 28-inch Mo. 2 octagon barrel.  They are out there, but like many, they are locked up in collections.

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Roger – nice rifle.  AND, nice tang sight Cool

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steve004 said
Roger – nice rifle.  AND, nice tang sight Cool

  

Very nice, indeed; in fact, the “M” word would not be inappropriate.  But I think the 103 on a short range hunting rifle is like a 2″ Unertl on a squirrel rifle–overkill. 

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Thank you Bert and others.  I see the redundancy of my question.  Embarassed  Plus, why would anyone want to sell one of these nice guns?  I have no explanation for the 103 sight, except possibly “old eyes” or just liked neat sights!  RDB

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rogertherelic said
  Plus, why would anyone want to sell one of these nice guns? 

  

Maybe they believe that “you can’t take it with you.” 

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Roger,

Because you asked, I went and found you another 44 WCF low-wall rifle that is available;

(CR) Winchester Model 1885 Low Wall .44 WCF Rifle | Guns & Military Artifacts  Rifles  Single Shot Rifles  | Online Auctions | Proxibid

 

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Thanks Bert.  Plus it’s lot less than what I paid.  Thought I had a jewel and got an enlightenment of my ignorance!  RDB

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Bert H. said

(CR) Winchester Model 1885 Low Wall .44 WCF Rifle | Guns & Military Artifacts  Rifles  Single Shot Rifles  | Online Auctions | Proxibid

Both these guns make me wonder “what was the buyer thinking?”  The oct brl makes them relatively heavy for such an anemic cartridge.  I can see (just barely) some utility for the baby SS carbine at 4-1/4 lbs, as it could be handled almost like a handgun. 

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clarence said

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(CR) Winchester Model 1885 Low Wall .44 WCF Rifle | Guns & Military Artifacts  Rifles  Single Shot Rifles  | Online Auctions | Proxibid

Both these guns make me wonder “what was the buyer thinking?”  The oct brl makes them relatively heavy for such an anemic cartridge.  I can see (just barely) some utility for the baby SS carbine at 4-1/4 lbs, as it could be handled almost like a handgun. 

  

The buyer was not “thinking” anything… the standard barrel length for Single Shot rifles chambered for the 44 WCF cartridge was 28-inchs.

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44 WCF rifle  matches  a  44-40  Colt Single  action pistol- somebody had i suspect.i’d  take a run at  the SS lo wall , but  Allentown  show  is  this  weekend.

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Bert H. said

The buyer was not “thinking” anything… the standard barrel length for Single Shot rifles chambered for the 44 WCF cartridge was 28-inchs.
  

Sure he was…he chose (which has to involve either cogitation or coercion) a low powered round in a model that gave him one shot, when he could have have chosen any number of other more powerful cartridges in a gun of similar weight.  Did he have a stockpile of .44 cartridges?  Was this a dead-stock gun he bought at a discount?  What was the reason he bought the gun in this particular chambering; not power, accuracy, or very lt. wt. (as with the baby carbine), so what?

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clarence said

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(CR) Winchester Model 1885 Low Wall .44 WCF Rifle | Guns & Military Artifacts  Rifles  Single Shot Rifles  | Online Auctions | Proxibid

Both these guns make me wonder “what was the buyer thinking?”  The oct brl makes them relatively heavy for such an anemic cartridge.  I can see (just barely) some utility for the baby SS carbine at 4-1/4 lbs, as it could be handled almost like a handgun. 

  

I like both of them! I’ve toyed with the idea of a 32WCF Low Wall for years but quite honestly would prefer a lighter barrel. A 44 or even a 38WCF would have made a great pest control or “back door” gun for a rural home. No need to disturb the neighbors or livestock with a full sized rifle cartridge, IMHO.

 

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A 44 or even a 38WCF would have made a great pest control or “back door” gun for a rural home. No need to disturb the neighbors or livestock with a full sized rifle cartridge, IMHO

.32 RF could do the same thing cheaper, & DID…or there wouldn’t be so many of them still around.  Old McDonald could buy two Stevens Favorites or Rem #4s for the price of one Win SS.

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Clarence, take a deep breath and sit down.  Am I to understand that you would choose a 32 RF over a 44 W.C.F.?  Is that because you can’t afford a 44 or you prefer the 32 RF?  The 44 W.C.F. was not considered an anemic cartridge in that time period.  For a short range deer cartridge I would prefer the 44 over the rim fire .32.  Plus I would have a “Winchester” not a Remington or some other brand of rifle.  We all have our favorites and mine is spelled, “WINCHESTER”.   RDB

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rogertherelic said
  Am I to understand that you would choose a 32 RF over a 44 W.C.F.? 

  

For the specific purpose Mike proposed (which wasn’t deer hunting), I sure would.  But neither would have been typical for a “rural home” or farm, the utility gun of usual choice being a cheap shotgun, commonly available at the local general store.  Other guns are better suited for specific uses, but no other type of firearm is more versatile than a shotgun, & the huge numbers sold prove it.  If the household could afford another gun, it would probably have been a .32 RF in the days of BP. 

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I understand and accept your explanation.  My single shot does not represent a good choice of a utilitarian firearm.  Plus there are apparently more available at a lower price than I imagined.  My BAD.  Please forgive my ignorance.  I am still learning. Embarassed  RDB

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I understand and accept your explanation.  My single shot does not represent a good choice of a utilitarian firearm.  Plus there are apparently more available at a lower price than I imagined.  My BAD.  Please forgive my ignorance.  I am still learning. Embarassed  RDB

  

ind me asking, when did you purchase yours and what do you have invested in it?

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Growing up there were always loaded guns around the house.  But, the go to gun was a 22 rifle sitting on the steps from the kitchen to the back door. This door was used to leave the house and go to the garage, barn and driveway.  The front door was not usually used but there was another 22 rifle just steps away. My dad’s room overlooked the driveway and he had a SKS next to this window.  He had a 9mm under his side of the bed, a 22 pistol in the mud room and a 7mm Mauser upstairs.  Shotguns were not his first choice but he had a few. In the country my dad always said if someone shows up unexpected they were either lost or trouble.

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Growing up there were always loaded guns around the house.  But, the go to gun was a 22 rifle sitting on the steps from the kitchen to the back door. This door was used to leave the house and go to the garage, barn and driveway.  The front door was not usually used but there was another 22 rifle just steps away. My dad’s room overlooked the driveway and he had a SKS next to this window.  In the country my dad always said if someone shows up unexpected they were either lost or trouble.

  

But you were living in the days of smokeless powder with non-corrosive priming, the two great improvements (along with lower cost) that allowed .22s to surpass .32s in general popularity.

Roger that SKS!  One of the best designed, easiest to use, most reliable, firearms ever produced!  Still in limited use by the Chinese.  Used to be cheap to shoot, too, before this country went to war with Russia.

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