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I am new to this forum and any forum for that fact so please excuse me as I learn how to do this. I have recently bought a 1873 Winchester musket. The thing that is special is it has 6 marks and etchings into the stock and in front of the receiver, on the wood, that I have researched and found some mean sleep, horse raid, the 4 winds and enemy kills. I believe the US Govt., or some country, has had this gun also due to the elevator having 44 cal. on it but in military block fashion. The gun was made in 1890 so Winchester was marking the elevator in their known inscription. Its a replacement elevator due to the serial # being 368…B I would guess. My question is how and where can I research this rifle? I know most muskets left the U.S. but just wondering if this one stayed in the country and one of the Indian nations had it for some time. If anyone can give me some info/advice on how to research what tribe and or had the U.S. military possibly had this weapon I would appreciate it. Thank you.
I would recommend contacting the Cody Firearms Museum (CFM) records office and obtain a factory letter for it. We much prefer that complete serial numbers be used when discussing old Winchesters.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Winchester nut said
Yes’sir the serial # is 368183B. Sorry about that.
If you could post some good pictures of the marks and of the elevator stamping I can point you in the right direction. Since you are not a member you will have to use a third party host site like PhotoBucket or just email them to me and I can post them.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Thank you sir. I am a member but for some reason the site is still seeing me as a guest. I have contacted the site and will see whats going on soon and will get the pictures on the forum. I just want to get some advice before I start researching the possible military side of this musket. I have already sent the pictures to some of the Indian nations to see if I can get some info about all the markings on the stock. Thanks again.
In the next Winchester Collector Mag there will be a article about Indian writing on a 73 I wrote about.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Looking forward too it. I’m excited to hear from the Indian nations I have sent pics to also. This gun is very intriguing. Once I figure out how to post pics to this site I will post them.
Does anyone have an email or some other means to post some pictures of a 73 I have? Cant figure out how to post to this site. The computer I’m using is old and that is probably the problem. Thank you.
Just email them to me at the address below my signature.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Winchester nut said
Does anyone have an email or some other means to post some pictures of a 73 I have? Cant figure out how to post to this site. The computer I’m using is old and that is probably the problem. Thank you.
If you are not a member, upload your photos to a 3rd party hosting site such as imgur.com and the post the links here on your own post.
winchestercollector.org/forum/problems-bugs-and-fixes/posting-pictures-is-now-esier-than-ever/
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Here are the photos of my 73 with the Indian marks and the elevator that is stamped in military lettering. What do yall think.
The elevator stamping is not Military markings. They are someones attempt to remark the caliber after the original stamp wore away. As to the other marks on the wood, It does not strike me as Indian but I could be wrong.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bob, you have almost a full screen’s worth of open space for 73-86 cutaway.jpg No image at all.
Bill
Bill,
I see my image as well as everyone elses.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
In the next Winchester Collector Mag there will be a article about Indian writing on a 73 I wrote about.Bob
Bob,
If its the same article I’m thinking your referring to, I thoroughly enjoyed. I am glad to see that truly is a variable way to prove such Indian Markings.
I remember seeing that gun years ago and thinking that there is no way in hell those are somebody’s initial’s carved into that elevator. Glad to see your research paid off, I also imagined it will help increase or at the very least confirm the gun collectable value.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Maverick,
Yes, Its the White Elk 73.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
Bill,I see my image as well as everyone elses.
Bob
1873man said
Bill,I see my image as well as everyone elses.
Bob
Looks ok now, just 73_86cutaway.jpg shows in very small box included with credentials
Bill
Blueliner said
Looks ok now, just 73_86cutaway.jpg shows in very small box included with credentials
Bill
I only see the .jpg identification when I scroll over the photo. Otherwise all that is visible to me is the actual photo/avatar.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
It looks completely normal to me, here is a screen shot.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
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